How to Correctly Calculate Bending Moments in Loaded Beams?

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The discussion revolves around calculating bending moments in loaded beams, specifically focusing on vertical reactions, shear force diagrams, and the associated bending moment calculations. Participants are sharing their attempts at solutions and seeking feedback on their methodologies and results.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confidence in their calculations of vertical reactions and seek validation of their answers.
  • There are concerns about the accuracy of the shear force diagram, particularly regarding the representation of shear forces at specific points where concentrated loads and reactions occur.
  • One participant questions whether they have correctly accounted for a uniformly distributed load (udl) in their shear force diagram.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the shear force diagram should reflect jumps or steps at locations of concentrated forces or reactions, highlighting inconsistencies in the current diagrams.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the shear force and bending moment, suggesting that the bending moment at a point can be calculated from the area under the shear force curve.
  • There is acknowledgment of previous errors in the shear force diagram, with one participant indicating they have revised their work based on lessons and examples.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the accuracy of the shear force diagrams or the calculations of bending moments. Multiple viewpoints and corrections are presented, indicating ongoing uncertainty and refinement of ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific locations on the beam where concentrated loads and reactions affect the shear force diagram, but there are unresolved issues regarding the correct representation of these effects. The discussion includes various interpretations of how to calculate changes in bending moments based on the shear force diagram.

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Homework Statement


I need to find vertical reactions, sketch the shear force and bending moment diagrams, calculate bending moments, etc

Homework Equations


Please see my attached answer

The Attempt at a Solution


This is attached, I think my answers are correct, I just need help in identifying any errors, etc
 

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David J said:

Homework Statement


I need to find vertical reactions, sketch the shear force and bending moment diagrams, calculate bending moments, etc

Homework Equations


Please see my attached answer

The Attempt at a Solution


This is attached, I think my answers are correct, I just need help in identifying any errors, etc
Solving for the reactions R1 and R2 appears to be correct.

I see a problem when you start to construct your shear force diagram.

You haven't shown the shear force correctly at the location of R1 at x = 2 m, the point load 10 kN at x = 3m, and the point load 20 kN at x = 10m. For some reason, you show the correct jump in the shear force curve where R2 is located, which is why these other errors are so puzzling.
 
Did I forget to include the udl in the first 2 meters? The first 2 meters starts in the positive direction when it should maybe start heading in the negative direction due to the udl
 
David J said:
Did I forget to include the udl in the first 2 meters? The first 2 meters starts in the positive direction when it should maybe start heading in the negative direction due to the udl
The problem is not with the UDL. What happens to the shear force curve at the point where a concentrated load is located?
 
As quoted in my lesson :-
For a series of concentrated vertical forces on a beam, the shear force diagram consists of a series of vertical steps and horizontal lines. For a beam subjected to concentrated vertical forces and a udl, the shear force diagram will again have vertical steps but with lines of constant slope joining the steps. I guess the curve is going to react in the opposite direction to the force
 
David J said:
As quoted in my lesson :-
For a series of concentrated vertical forces on a beam, the shear force diagram consists of a series of vertical steps and horizontal lines. For a beam subjected to concentrated vertical forces and a udl, the shear force diagram will again have vertical steps but with lines of constant slope joining the steps. I guess the curve is going to react in the opposite direction to the force

As I said in a previous post above:
1. You show the correct jump in the shear force curve where R2 is located
2. You have not shown any jump in the shear force curve at the location of R1 at x = 2 m, the point load 10 kN at x = 3m, or at the point load 20 kN at x = 10m.

There should be jumps or steps in the shear force curve at any location where there is a concentrated force or reaction. It's not clear to me why you showed the step in shear force at R2, but neglected to show a step in shear force at any of the other locations where a concentrated force or reaction was located.
 
I have spent most of the day going back through the lessons and looking at the examples. I think the attached is correct (or close) now. I messed the first section of the SFD up
 

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David J said:
I have spent most of the day going back through the lessons and looking at the examples. I think the attached is correct (or close) now. I messed the first section of the SFD up
This shear force curve looks much better.

Now, calculate the bending moment curve from it.
 
I am hoping this is close to correct
 

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David J said:
I am hoping this is close to correct
The bending moments seem to be OK, but it looks like you keep doing a lot of unnecessary calculation as you move along the length of the beam.

For example, the BM at x = 3 is equal to the BM at x = 2 + the area under the shear curve between x = 2 m and x = 3 m, thus

since BM = -10 kN-m at x = 2 m,

then the BM at x = 3 m would be BM = -10 kN-m + [(1/2)*(16.7 + 11.7)] = -10 kN-m + 14.20 kN-m = 4.2 kN-M and so on.

Since the SF curve is composed of straight lines, you are essentially calculating the area under a series of trapezoids to find the change in BM as you move along the length of the beam.
 

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