How to cut power when given max voltage reached?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods to automatically disconnect power when a specified voltage is reached across a capacitor, specifically targeting a threshold of 2.0 V. Participants explore various electronic components and configurations, including relays, zener diodes, voltage comparators, and power transistors, to achieve this goal.

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  • Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a relay to disconnect power when the voltage reaches 2.0 V.
  • Another proposes a zener diode configuration, indicating that it can channel current away once the voltage exceeds its rated zener voltage.
  • A voltage comparator is recommended by a participant to monitor the voltage and control an analog switch for disconnection.
  • Concerns are raised about the current handling capability of zener diodes, particularly for a 55W headlight bulb drawing 4A.
  • One participant mentions the need for a schematic diagram to provide better suggestions, emphasizing the importance of circuit details.
  • A participant describes using a computer power supply and a light bulb as a current limiter while charging an ultra capacitor, expressing the need for an automatic disconnection method.
  • Another participant considers using a power-transistor switch as an alternative solution.
  • Questions arise regarding the nature of comparators, whether they are discrete components or if they can be built from existing parts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various approaches and components to achieve the desired outcome, but no consensus is reached on a single solution. Multiple competing views and methods remain under consideration.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their suggestions based on the specific current requirements and the nature of the components discussed. The effectiveness of zener diodes and comparators in this context remains uncertain without further circuit details.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in electronic circuit design, particularly those working with voltage regulation and automatic disconnection mechanisms in power systems.

Cyclix
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Hi all

I need to disconnect the power once a given voltage drop at some component (a capacitor in this case) is reached.

For example at first the voltage between the leads is 0 and starts climbing up once there is power. When the voltage reaches 2.0 V, I want the power to be cut off.

Can a relay do it? What other options are there?
 
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zener diode.
if the PD across the diode is less than it's rated "zener voltage" then it does not conduct.

iirc:
in series ahead of the cap, in the circuit, then the capacitor charges until the PD across the diode drops below the zener voltage.

in parallel - the cap charges until the zener voltage is exceeded - then the diode channels the current away.
 
You may consider using a voltage comparator to monitor the rising voltage. Once your limit is reached, the comparator switches. This can then be used to control an analog switch, which would open, disconnecting the power.

Cheers,
Bobbywhy
 
Diode like Simon says. Try buying a few zeners with a reverse breakdown voltage of 2.0 volts. Run it in parallel with the component you are trying to protect, and put the diode in backwards.
 
Thanks for the replies, guys.

I can't seem to find zener diodes capable of handling the current I am working with. I have a 55W headlight bulb, and the the cap in series. My power supply outputs 4A in this configuration. So I need a zener capable of handling 4A right?

Bobbywhy said:
You may consider using a voltage comparator to monitor the rising voltage. Once your limit is reached, the comparator switches. This can then be used to control an analog switch, which would open, disconnecting the power.

Cheers,
Bobbywhy
Are comparators discrete parts or how can I built one? I have no problem with theory, I just don't know what's possible out of the box for my scenario.
 
Cyclix said:
Thanks for the replies, guys.

I can't seem to find zener diodes capable of handling the current I am working with. I have a 55W headlight bulb, and the the cap in series. My power supply outputs 4A in this configuration. So I need a zener capable of handling 4A right?

Are comparators discrete parts or how can I built one? I have no problem with theory, I just don't know what's possible out of the box for my scenario.

Cyclix, Oops! Had you included this information in your original opening post you’d not have received the kinds of suggestions that were offered! Zener diodes and analog switches are normally used to control signals and not power electronics! I feel like a blind man touching an elephant…each different part I touch causes me to guess wrong about what the object really is.

Will you please supply a schematic diagram of your circuit? Be sure to include the power supply voltage and show where the capacitor is in the circuit and what is its purpose? The more information you can supply about your project the more likely you will receive useful suggestions. And vice-versa.

Cheers,
Bobbywhy
 
Well I am using a computer power supply to charge an ultra capacitor. I use the light bulb as a current limiter because the short circuit protection of the power supply keeps kicking in when I connect just the capacitor.

It is working great but I have to stick around while the cap is charging in order to disconnect before the voltage difference between its leads reaches 2.5 V. So I am searching for an automatic way to do it at a way lower value, i.e. 2 V

The time it takes to get from 0 to 2.5 V in my current setup is ~27 minutes. I don't want to start doing something else and forget to pull the plug on time. The formula I am using to calculate charging times is Tsec = Vcap / ( I / C). I also have a multimeter running to check the voltage periodically.

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6199/scheme2.png
 
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Cyclix said:
Are comparators discrete parts or how can I built one?
You could adapt the idea from the first 3 minutes of this tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Q0ERSP24A[/color]

Instead of powering a nuclear detonator, power your capacitor. The IC itself could be powered from your +12v supply (this IC doesn't need a negative supply.) Resistor values will need to be reworked, of course. Inputs might need to be swapped for switching as you want.
 

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