How to denote tetrad in Abstract Index Notation ?

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The discussion centers around the representation of tetrads in Abstract Index Notation, exploring various notational conventions and the implications of these representations in the context of tensor transformations and gauge theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses familiarity with Abstract Index Notation for coordinate bases but encounters difficulties when attempting to denote tetrads.
  • Another participant cites Landau's book, providing a specific notation for tetrads as ei(a), e(b)i, and notes that they cannot be denoted as (ei)a, (ei)b, (ei)a.
  • Some participants mention the notation \Lambda^A_a for tetrads, where A represents the frame basis index and a the holonomic frame index, and describe the basis transformation from holonomic to frame.
  • There is a question raised about whether a tetrad can be considered a rank 2 tensor since it has both upper and lower indices.
  • One participant argues that a tetrad is not strictly a tensor, as it typically has one upper and one lower index, and discusses how it performs basis transformations without altering tensor rank.
  • Another participant references a paper on TP gravity where a tetrad is written with two lower indices, expressing confusion about its meaning.
  • Confusion is noted regarding the nomenclature and definitions of tetrads, with references to different sources that seem to present conflicting information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of tetrads, with some asserting they are not tensors while others question this classification. There is no consensus on the correct notation or interpretation of tetrads in Abstract Index Notation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in definitions and notational conventions, as well as the potential for confusion arising from different sources discussing tetrads.

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I like Penrose's Abstract Index Notation very much. I am familiar with using Abstract Index Notation to denote Coordinate Basis.

But when I try to denote tetrad with Abstract Index Notation, I meet problems.

How to denote tetrad in Abstract Index Notation?
 
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In Landau's Book, (Page 313, The Classical Theory of Fields, Fourth edition, Elsevier),

tetrads are expressed

ei(a), e(b)i, ei(a), (*)

Of course, I cannot denote tetrads as

(ei)a, (ei)b, (ei)a
 
I've only ever seen them written like this

[tex] \Lambda^A_a[/tex]

where A is the frame basis index and a is a holonomic frame index. So to change basis from holonomic to frame is

[tex] V^A = \Lambda^A_a\ V^a[/tex]

The inverse tetrad is denoted

[tex] \Lambda^a_A[/tex]
 
Mentz114 said:
I've only ever seen them written like this

[tex] \Lambda^A_a[/tex]

where A is the frame basis index and a is a holonomic frame index. So to change basis from holonomic to frame is

[tex] V^A = \Lambda^A_a\ V^a[/tex]

The inverse tetrad is denoted

[tex] \Lambda^a_A[/tex]


Can we say tetrad is rank 2 tensor, since two index can both rise and lower down?
 
Strictly it is not a tensor, so there is always one lower and one upper index. The tetrad performs a basis transformation on a tensor without altering its rank.

[tex] T^{AB}\ =\ \Lambda^A_a \ \Lambda^B_b\ T^{ab} [/tex]

Because the indexes refer to two bases, there is no metric to raise or lower them. It is never necessary to raise or lower a tetrad index, because the operand tensor or the result can be adjusted.

The inverse is defined thus

[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> &V^A\ = \ \Lambda^A_a \ V^a\\<br /> \Rightarrow\ &\Lambda^a_A \ V^A\ = \Lambda^a_A \ \Lambda^A_a \ V^a = \ V^a<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

Recently in a paper on TP gravity ( where the tetrad is a gauge potential) I saw a tetrad written with 2 lower indexes which could be raised. But I have not worked out what it means.
 
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Mentz114 said:
Strictly it is not a tensor, so there is always one lower and one upper index. The tetrad performs a basis transformation on a tensor without altering its rank.

[tex] T^{AB}\ =\ \Lambda^A_a \ \Lambda^B_b\ T^{ab} [/tex]

Because the indexes refer to two bases, there is no metric to raise or lower them. It is never necessary to raise or lower a tetrad index, because the operand tensor or the result can be adjusted.

The inverse is defined thus

[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> &V^A\ = \ \Lambda^A_a \ V^a\\<br /> \Rightarrow\ &\Lambda^a_A \ V^A\ = \Lambda^a_A \ \Lambda^A_a \ V^a = \ V^a<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

Recently in a paper on TP gravity ( where the tetrad is a gauge potential) I saw a tetrad written with 2 lower indexes which could be raised. But I have not worked out what it means.


But I have seen it in

"Metric Compatibility
Condition And Tetrad
Postulate"

(Myron W. Evans)

See just below the formula (8.1)




"qaμ is the tetrad [3]-[5], a mixed index rank two tensor"



However, in Landau's Book "The Classical Theory of Fields" (Fourth Edition, Elsevier) Page 313, it is definitely pointed out that "a set of four linearly independent coordinate four-vectors"

Thus, I am a bit confused...
 
Thus, I am a bit confused...

Me too, about the nomenclature. In practise it is usually clear what is meant, though.
 

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