How to derive the principal radii of an ellipse

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The discussion revolves around deriving the principal radii of an ellipse, specifically in the context of the principal radii of curvature as mentioned in Stephen Timoshenko's Theory of Plates and Shells. Participants are exploring the mathematical formulation and seeking guidance on how to approach the derivation.

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  • One participant asks how to derive the principal radii of an ellipse from the equation b2x2 + a2y2 = a2b2, expressing confusion over the complexity of the final equation.
  • Another participant suggests a possible expression for the principal radius as r1 = 2b + a, but does not confirm its correctness.
  • Some participants clarify that the term "principal radii" may be misleading, as it refers to the "principal radii of curvature," which varies at different points on the ellipse and is defined by a specific formula.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about how to begin deriving the principal radii of curvature and seeks advice on an appropriate starting equation.

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There is no consensus on the correct approach to derive the principal radii of curvature, and multiple interpretations of the term "principal radii" are present in the discussion.

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Participants have not reached a clear agreement on the definitions and formulations involved, and there are unresolved questions regarding the starting point for the derivation.

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Hi, dear all,

hope your guys allow me to ask this tricky question.
Refer to the attachment, i would like to derive the principal radii of an ellipse, the final equation and figure is provided in Stephen Timoshenko Theory of plates and shells 2nd edition.

consider the ellipse has form b^2*x^2+a^2*y^2=(a^2)*(b^2)
may i know how can i get the correct variable for the red color highlighted length?
because the final equation is so complex, i expect it is not y=2b+unknown.

I use the center as focus origin, the final equation i derive is not correct.as the focus origin move.

In others words , how to get the length for the focus origin as highlighted in red color?
 

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or it is just r1=2b+a?
 
Your title talks about "principle radii" as if it were a basic property of an ellipse. But the article you show talks about the "principle radii of curvature". That is different at every point and is given by the formula in the article. There is no such thing as a single "principle radius" of an ellipse.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Your title talks about "principle radii" as if it were a basic property of an ellipse. But the article you show talks about the "principle radii of curvature". That is different at every point and is given by the formula in the article. There is no such thing as a single "principle radius" of an ellipse.

Dear HallsofIvy,

Thanks for your reply.
as i read through the book, i do not know how to start to derive, therefore i start with ellipse form equation.

based on your experience, if i am going to derive that equation "principle radii of curvature" of the ellipse, what is the first equation i should use?

i need a starting point to crack through it.any help?
 

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