How to estimate transfer function given a transmissibility plot?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on estimating a transfer function from a transmissibility plot, specifically addressing how to interpret the plot without phase information and the implications of frequency characteristics. The scope includes theoretical aspects of transfer functions and practical estimation methods based on graphical data.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about deriving a transfer function solely from a transmissibility vs. frequency graph and requests assistance.
  • Another participant suggests that the plot resembles a low pass filter with a pole at 0.5 Hz and indicates that the damping ratio is likely greater than 1 due to a high peak in the response.
  • A different participant advises reviewing Bode plots and approximating the data with straight line segments to derive the transfer function.
  • One participant proposes assuming real poles and zeros, avoiding complex-conjugate poles, and using Bode plots as a foundation for determining the transfer function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various approaches to estimating the transfer function, indicating a lack of consensus on a single method. Multiple competing views on how to interpret the transmissibility plot and derive the transfer function remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of phase information and the need to ignore measurement noise above 10 Hz, which may affect the accuracy of the transfer function estimation. The discussion also highlights the importance of frequency units in interpreting the transmissibility data.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in control systems, signal processing, or those seeking to understand the relationship between transmissibility and transfer functions in engineering contexts.

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How would I estimate the transfer function for transmissibility given this plot:

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I am told that the data does not include phase information, but assume that the phase is 0 deg at low frequency and -180 deg at high frequency. I must provide a brief rationale for each component of the transfer function. Ignore the measurement noise at frequencies larger than 10 Hz. Keep in mind the frequency units; transmissibility in dB is given on the rightside y-axis.

Thank you so much in advance! I really am struggling with this.

All I know is that {transfer function} = {output} / {input}. I do not know how to get a transfer function, just given a transmissibility vs. frequency graph.
 
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so from low freq to 10 hz it looks like a low pass filter. there will be a pole at 0.5 hz. the pole will have a damping ratio higher than 1 due to the large Q you see there. There are ways to calculate what the damping ratio is due to how high that peak gets.
you also nee to incorporate the bump at 3.5 Hz. I'll let you try to figure that out

give me your attempt
 
Review your notes or textbook on Bode plots. The basic idea is to approximate the plotted data by straight line segments, and then write down the transfer function that corresponds to the approximation. See www.ece.utah.edu/~ee3110/bodeplot.pdf.
 
I would assume real poles and zeros (no complex-conjugate poles) using Bode plots as the basis for determining the transfer function.
 

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