How to Evaluate a Double Integral Using Polar Coordinates?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a double integral using polar coordinates, specifically for the integral \int {\int\limits_R {\left( {x + y} \right)\,dA} } where R is defined by certain circular boundaries.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the transformation from Cartesian to polar coordinates, questioning the presence of an additional factor of r in the integral. The original poster attempts to understand why the integral includes r(r cos + r sin) instead of just (r cos + r sin).

Discussion Status

Some participants provide clarification regarding the Jacobian and the area element in polar coordinates, indicating that the extra r accounts for the change in area during the transformation. The original poster expresses satisfaction in understanding the concept after receiving guidance.

Contextual Notes

The original poster initially considered abandoning the question upon finding the formula in a textbook but chose to engage further to clarify their understanding.

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Homework Statement


Evaluate the integral [tex]\int {\int\limits_R {\left( {x + y} \right)\,dA} }[/tex] where R is the region that lies to the left of the y-axis between the circles [tex]x^2 + y^2 = 1[/tex] and [tex]x^2 + y^2 = 4[/tex] by changing to polar coordinates.



Homework Equations


x=r cos theta
y=r sin theta


The Attempt at a Solution


my effort:

[tex]\begin{array}{l}<br /> r_{inner} = \sqrt 1 = 1,\,\,r_{outer} = \sqrt 4 = 2 \\ <br /> R = \left\{ {\left( {r,\theta |1 \le r \le 4,\,\frac{{3\pi }}{2}\,\theta \le \pi } \right)} \right\} \\ <br /> x = r\cos \left( \theta \right),\,\,\,y = r\sin \left( \theta \right) \\ <br /> \int\limits_1^2 {\int\limits_{\pi /2}^{3\pi /2} {\left( {r\cos \left( \theta \right) + r\sin \left( \theta \right)} \right)\,d\theta \,dr} } \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

The solution shows an extra instance of r in the integral. If the original question is for (x+y) then why isn't it simply r cos + r sin, rather than r(r cos + r sin)?
 
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Assuming everything else is correct:

there is an additional r because of Jacobian
you will learn co-od transformations soon
when you transform, area changes, and that
r takes into account of that
 
the area element in polar coordinates is :

[tex]dA = rdrd\theta[/tex]
that is where the extra r comes from.
 
Thanks!

I was about to say never mind because I just found the formula in the book. It gives the extra r.

But I'm glad I asked, because now I understand where it comes from.
 
indeed, you can see this also if you draw out the picture of the infinitesimal pieces: rdtheta will be a small slice of length. multiplying by dr will give you approximately a small square. so dxdy =~ rdrdtheta
 

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