How to evaluate a surface integral with three points?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the surface integral ∬G dS, where G is defined as x^2i + xyj + zk, and S is the surface connecting the points (0,0,0), (1,1,0), and (2,2,2). Participants express uncertainty about the parametrization of the surface and the correct formulation of the integral, particularly regarding the vector nature of G and the meaning of dS. There is confusion about whether the surface is a plane and how to correctly set up the integral, including the need for a dot product. Clarifications are sought on the integration limits and the correct interpretation of the surface defined by the given points. The discussion highlights the complexities involved in setting up the integral correctly for the specified surface.
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Homework Statement


Let G=x^2i+xyj+zk And let S be the surface with points connecting (0,0,0) , (1,1,0) and (2,2,2)

Find ∬GdS. (over S)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I parametrised the surface and found 0=2x-2y. I’m not sure if this is correct. And I’m also uncertain about how to proceed.
 
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Tom31415926535 said:

Homework Statement


Let G=x^2i+xyj+zk And let S be the surface with points connecting (0,0,0) , (1,1,0) and (2,2,2)

Find ∬GdS. (over S)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I parametrised the surface and found 0=2x-2y. I’m not sure if this is correct. And I’m also uncertain about how to proceed.

Check to see if the three given points satisfy your proposed surface equation.
 
Okay thanks. So I can conclude that that is the correct surface equation.

Therefore:

r(y,z)= (y,y,z)

G(r(x,z))=(y^2, y^2, z)

Then the integral will be:

∫∫(y^2, y^2, z)(1+2y+1)dydz

Is my reasoning correct? If yes, how do I determine the terminals?

If no, what am I doing incorrectly?
 
Tom31415926535 said:

Homework Statement


Let G=x^2i+xyj+zkAnd let S be the surface with points connecting (0,0,0) , (1,1,0) and (2,2,2)

Find ∬GdS. (over S)
OK, so you are using i,j,k notation for vectors and G is a vector. What do you mean by "the" surface connecting these points. There are infinitely many such surfaces. And when you write ##\iint GdS## what does that mean if G is a vector? Is dS a vector? Is there a missing dot product there?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I parametrised the surface and found 0=2x-2y. I’m not sure if this is correct. And I’m also uncertain about how to proceed.
Were you given the surface is a plane? If so, why not tell us? So you are using ##y=x##.

Tom31415926535 said:
Okay thanks. So I can conclude that that is the correct surface equation.

Therefore:

r(y,z)= (y,y,z)

Is that a vector? What happened to the ijk notation for your vectors?

G(r(x,z))=(y^2, y^2, z)

Then the integral will be:

∫∫(y^2, y^2, z)(1+2y+1)dydz

Is my reasoning correct? If yes, how do I determine the terminals?

If no, what am I doing incorrectly?
In that integral you apparently have a vector multiplied by a scalar so you are expecting a vector answer? And where did the 1+2y+1 come from. It is all very confusing. Perhaps I am misunderstanding the problem.
 
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Tom31415926535 said:
Okay thanks. So I can conclude that that is the correct surface equation.

Therefore:

r(y,z)= (y,y,z)

G(r(x,z))=(y^2, y^2, z)

Then the integral will be:

∫∫(y^2, y^2, z)(1+2y+1)dydz

Is my reasoning correct? If yes, how do I determine the terminals?

If no, what am I doing incorrectly?

Are you integrating over the triangle with vertices (0,0,0), (1,1,0) and (2,2,1)? Your problem statement did not say that explicitly, but my default assumption is that you want that triangle.
 
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