How to find ampacity of 1/2 by 4 copper buss bar

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The discussion revolves around determining the ampacity of a 1/2" by 4" copper bus bar, focusing on the application of the NEC formula and various interpretations of it. Participants explore the calculations and assumptions involved in finding the correct ampacity value.

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  • One participant states that using the NEC formula of 1000 A/in² leads to a calculated ampacity of 500 amps, which conflicts with another claim that the bus bar should be rated for 2000 amps.
  • Another participant suggests that the 1000 A/in² value is merely a "rule of thumb," implying that it may not be universally applicable.
  • A participant calculates the area of the bus bar as 2 in² (4 * 0.5) and argues that applying the 1000 A/in² rule should yield 2000 amps, questioning the initial calculation.
  • Confusion arises regarding the interpretation of the NEC formula, with one participant suggesting that it should be rewritten for clarity to avoid misinterpretation.
  • Reference to an external source provides additional ampacity values for different sizes of copper bus bars, indicating that ampacity can vary based on specific conditions.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of unit consistency in calculations, suggesting that incorrect units may indicate a misunderstanding of the formula.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the NEC formula and the resulting ampacity values, indicating that there is no consensus on the correct approach or interpretation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight potential confusion stemming from the presentation of the NEC formula, suggesting that clearer notation could help avoid misinterpretations. Additionally, variations in ampacity based on installation conditions are mentioned without resolution.

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How to find ampacity of 1/2" by 4" copper buss bar

I have a question about finding ampacity of buss bar. I have a 1/2" by 4" copper buss bar and the only formula I can find in the NEC is 1000/in^2 but when I use this formula I come up with 500 amps and I'm being told that 1/2" by 4" copper bus bar is good for 2000 amps. Can somebody help me please and explain what I'm missing. Thank you
 
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As far as I know, 1000/in^2 is merely a "rule of thumb".
 
http://www.stormcopper.com/design/ampacity-tables.htm
 
Am I missing something here? You have 2in^2 of copper bus bar(4*.5=2) and 1000 A/in^2 should be 2000A.
Correct? And ,yes, as per NEC (US) {250A/(1/4 in^2)} is acceptable. So 1000A/in^2 is correct.
 
I tell you why I'm confused, I read 1000/in^2 as 1000 divided by inches squared. I think the NEC would be right to rewrite that so it looks like multiplication
 
From ABB Switchgear Manual Table 13-4 Continuous current carrying capacity [AC up to 60 c/sec]
For indoor installation at 35oC.copper bar max.temp. 65oC.Continuous load.
10*100 mm [0.4”*4”] 1810 A
10*120 mm [0.4*5”] 2110
 
Crazyhorse2882 said:
I tell you why I'm confused, I read 1000/in^2 as 1000 divided by inches squared. I think the NEC would be right to rewrite that so it looks like multiplication

Your interpretation would imply that the larger the buss bar the less current it could carry, that should clue you in that somethings wrong.

Read it as 1000 amps per square inch for 2 square inches. (Driving 1000 miles per hour for 2 hours = 2000 miles).
 
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Do the math with the units...if your math ends up with the wrong units - you have the formula wrong:

A/in^s * in^2 = A... amazing how many people do not use this simple check of their thinking.
 

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