Confused while designing copper busbars

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of copper busbars intended to handle a current of 1 kA, specifically in the context of discharging DC capacitors. Participants are exploring the appropriate dimensions for the busbars, the implications of current density, voltage drop, heating effects, and thermal considerations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant is uncertain if a cross-section of 25mm x 3mm is sufficient for the intended current, having calculated using a current density of 1.6 A/mm².
  • Another participant suggests calculating the voltage drop (IR) in the copper and questions whether this drop is acceptable for the application.
  • Concerns are raised about the effect of copper resistance on the RC time constant of the pulse, along with inquiries about the heating in the conductor during a capacitor discharge.
  • A participant mentions the need to consider thermal expansion based on their past experience with busbars in a temperature "burn-in" chamber.
  • One participant asserts that the voltage drop is negligible and that the RC constant is not significantly affected, while seeking a rough estimate of the required cross-sectional area for 800A-1000A for short durations.
  • Another participant proposes calculating the energy stored in the capacitor to estimate the temperature rise of the copper during discharge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the sufficiency of the busbar dimensions, the significance of voltage drop, and the impact of heating on the design. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the calculations and considerations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached consensus on the appropriate cross-sectional area for the busbars, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the effects of current density, voltage drop, and thermal dynamics during capacitor discharge.

palash_krz
Messages
3
Reaction score
0
Hello Guys!

I was designing copper bus-bars which can withstand 1 kA current. Actually I am going to discharge a several DC capacitors into those bars. So, I was confused in the dimensioning the cross section. Is 25mm * 3mm cross section enough? I have made my calculation using 1.6 A/mm2 current density for copper. Help is badly needed.
Thanks in advance.:smile:
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
It is straight forward to calculate the voltage (IR) drop in the copper. Is this too high for your application?

Does the copper resistance appreciably change the RC time constant of your pulse?

If the voltage drop is acceptable, what is the heating in the conductor for a single capacitor discharge? because the instantaneous heating is proportional to I2R, and the capacitor discharge current waveform I(t) is exponential, the joule heating is equal to ∫I2(t)·R·dt.

Using the specific heat for copper (0.390 joules per gram per degree C), what is the temperature rise for a single capacitor pulse?

Bob S
 
This reminds me of the time that I designed some buss bars used the a temperature "burn-in" chamber form a bunch of avionic navigation radios. Needless to say, thermal expansion is a big consideration.
 
Voltage drop is negligible, RC constant is not affected as it has very negligible resistance. Question remains is, for a rough estimate, how much cross-sectional area does it require to withstand 800A-1000A for duration of max. 3 or 4 seconds, voltages being 200/250 at 50 Hz. Thanks for your response. :smile:
(I must tell, I am going to adjust the RC constant of whole setup using a rheostat and will make it near around 2-3 or max. 4 seconds if necessary. My setup will work if i reach 2 seconds.)
 
For rough calculation of temperature rise of copper,
calculate the energy stored in the capacitor,
then using this energy calculate the temperature rise of the copper.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 35 ·
2
Replies
35
Views
20K
Replies
14
Views
3K
Replies
1
Views
7K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K