How to find an integrating factor for this problem?

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The problem involves finding an integrating factor for a differential equation expressed in the form xdy - (y + x^2 + 9y^2)dx = 0. The discussion centers around methods for identifying an integrating factor and the challenges associated with the problem's setup.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the difficulty of finding an integrating factor directly and consider alternative methods, such as using a Riccati transform. There are questions about the feasibility of transforming the equation into a second-order linear ODE, given the current curriculum constraints. Some participants suggest grouping terms to simplify the identification of an integrating factor.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants express uncertainty about the original equation's formulation and whether a different setup might yield a simpler integrating factor. There is no explicit consensus on a single method or solution yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the professor has not yet covered second-order linear equations, which affects their ability to apply certain methods. There is also a suggestion that the equation might be miswritten, which could impact the search for an integrating factor.

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Homework Statement


Find an integrating factor for:
xdy - (y + x^2 + 9y^2)dx = 0


Homework Equations


P(x,y)dx + Q(x,y)dy = 0
Δμ = μyP - μxQ.
where μ is the integrating factor.

The Attempt at a Solution


well, I don't know what I should do. I can use the formula I wrote but that would lead to solving a PDE. any ideas?
 
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No ideas?
 
It would take a pretty lucky guess to come up with an integrating factor directly. However, you can use a Riccati transform and then back-track to find an integrating factor if that's your pleasure.

If you substitute y(x) = - x (dw/dx) / (9 w) where w is a function of x, you'll wind up with a linear 2nd order ODE in w.

Wikipedia has a decent description: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riccati_equation
 
I don't know how to solve a linear 2nd order ODE yet. I mean I know but our professor hasn't started the second chapter which is about 2nd order linear equations. so I can't transform it into a 2nd order linear ODE. Is there a way to solve it without transforming it into a 2nd order linear ODE by finding an integrating factor?
 
I sure don't see an obvious way. Is it possible that the equation should be

y dy - (y + x^2 + 9 y^2) dy = 0 ?

An integrating factor would be simple to find in that case.
 
obafgkmrns said:
I sure don't see an obvious way. Is it possible that the equation should be

y dy - (y + x^2 + 9 y^2) dy = 0 ?

An integrating factor would be simple to find in that case.

No :(
 
group in terms of 3y/x to make the integrating factor easy to see
x dy - (y + x^2 + 9y^2)dx = 0
(x2/3)d(3y/x)-x2((3y/x)2+1)dx=0
 
lurflurf said:
group in terms of 3y/x to make the integrating factor easy to see
x dy - (y + x^2 + 9y^2)dx = 0
(x2/3)d(3y/x)-x2((3y/x)2+1)dx=0

Now It's clear what I should do next. but I don't understand how you obtained the second equation from the first that directly.
 
It helps that I knew that
x dy-y dx=x2d(y/x)
from there it was clear x and y/x would be better variables that x and y.
These take a bit of practice.
There are a few others, but I keep in mind these common examples
d(xy)=x dy+y dx
y2 d(x/y)=y dx-x dy
x2 d(y/x)=x dy-y dx
(x2+y2) d(arctan(y/x))=x dy-y dx
x^{1-p}y^{1-q}{d}(x^py^q)=pydx+qxdy
 

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