How to find phi in simple harmonic motion

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The discussion revolves around finding the phase constant (Φ) in the context of simple harmonic motion, specifically using the equation x(t) = A sin(ωt + Φ) with a provided position vs time graph. Participants are exploring how to extract Φ given known values for amplitude (A) and angular frequency (ω), while grappling with the challenge of determining the position x(t) at specific times.

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  • The original poster attempts to rearrange the equation to solve for Φ but encounters variability in results based on chosen points from the graph. Participants suggest using the graph at t=0 to identify x(0) and A, while questioning how to consistently determine Φ from these values.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering guidance on utilizing specific points from the graph to find necessary values. There is recognition of potential pitfalls in reading the graph, and the discussion is ongoing without a clear resolution or consensus on the method to determine Φ.

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There is an emphasis on the importance of accurately identifying x(0) and A from the graph, as well as the acknowledgment that multiple points may yield the same x value, complicating the determination of Φ. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the relationship between the variables involved.

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Given a position vs time graph of simple harmonic motion of an object and using the equation
x(t) = xo = A sin (ωt +Φ), how am I supposed to find Φ?
I can easily find A and the period (T).
I also know T = 2 pi / ω, so I can find ω.

But I don't know x(t) and t. I tried finding random points in the graph and plugging them into the rearranged equation:
sin-1(x(t)- xo / (A)) - ωt = Φ
but I'm getting numbers that change depending on x(t) and t.

So how am I supposed to get Φ and should it not be constant?
 
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Take a look at the x vs t graph at t=0.
You do know x(t) - you wrote it down on the second line of your post.
To get the specific version of x(t) for your graph, you will need to use the clues on the graph ... like you should be able to see what A is.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Take a look at the x vs t graph at t=0.
You do know x(t) - you wrote it down on the second line of your post.
To get the specific version of x(t) for your graph, you will need to use the clues on the graph ... like you should be able to see what A is.
Yes but I don't know phi? How do I know x(t)?
 
You can use the value of x @ t = 0 seconds, say xo, to determine the value of Φ.
Just watch out there are 2 points on an oscillation that have the same x value.
So when you solve for Φ using this xo value you may not get the correct
angle.
 
Yes but I don't know phi? How do I know x(t)?
Take a look at the x vs t graph at t=0.
To get the specific version of x(t) for your graph, you will need to use the clues on the graph ... like you should be able to see what A is.

What is x(0)? What is A?
 
So you know T, A and ω. What is x when t=0?
 
So you know T, A and ω. What is x when t=0?
... That's probably about the most we can hope to do to help, without further feedback.
It kinda looks like using different values of t, knowing ω and A, gets different values for ##\sin^{-1}\frac{x(t)}{A} -\omega t## ... which suggests that there are easy mistakes to be made reading the graph.
Cannot tell though.
 

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