How to Find the Differential of a Function at a Specific Point?

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The discussion revolves around finding the differential of a function defined from R3 to R2 at a specific point, specifically at (1,0,-1). Participants explore the formulation of the differential, the representation in matrix form, and the conversion of this matrix into a vector in R2.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the function f(x,y,z)=(x2+y2+z2,xyz) and seeks to find its differential at the point (1,0,-1).
  • Another participant suggests a formula for the differential, indicating it can be expressed as a sum of partial derivatives multiplied by differentials of the variables.
  • A participant questions whether it is standard to present the differential in matrix form and seeks clarification on how to derive the vector in R2 from this matrix.
  • One participant provides a matrix representation of the differential at (1,0,-1) but seeks to understand its interpretation in R2.
  • A later reply offers a specific expression for the differential at the point (1,0,-1) and suggests a correction to a previous post regarding the matrix representation.
  • Another participant acknowledges the dimensionality issue of the matrix concerning the function's mapping and confirms the need to evaluate the coordinates for partial derivatives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants engage in a constructive dialogue with some agreement on the formulation of the differential, but there are questions and clarifications regarding the representation and interpretation of the differential in matrix and vector forms. No consensus is reached on the best approach to present the differential.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the standard practices for presenting differentials in matrix form and how to interpret these in the context of the function's mapping from R3 to R2.

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let f:R^3->R^2 be given by $f(x,y,z)=(x^2+y^2+z^2,xyz)$ I want to find it's differential at a point (x,y,z). I can find the represnting matrix w.r.t standard basis i.e. the matrix of partial derivatives but how do I use this to find ,say, the differential of f at (1,0,-1)?
 
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Re: finding the differential

You can do
$$df= \frac{ \partial f}{ \partial x}dx+ \frac{ \partial f}{ \partial y}dy+ \frac{ \partial f}{ \partial y}dy,$$
where each sum is vector addition. That is, $df$ is a vector made up of
$$df= \begin{bmatrix} df_{1} \\ df_{2}\end{bmatrix},$$
and you follow the usual rules for finding the differential of each component.
 
Re: finding the differential

Is it usual just to present it as the matrix? Also, how do you recover the vector in R^2 from the matrix?
 
Re: finding the differential

So the differential at (1,0,-1) (in matrix form) is [2,0,-2]
............. [0,-1,0]

but what is this in R^2?
 
Re: finding the differential

I get
$$df(1,0,-1)=\begin{bmatrix}2\,dx-2 \, dy \\ -dy \end{bmatrix}.$$
As a slight correction to Jameson's post, I think I would write it as
$$df= \begin{bmatrix} f_{1x} & f_{1y} & f_{1z} \\ f_{2x} &f_{2y} &f_{2z}\end{bmatrix}
\begin{bmatrix} dx \\ dy \\ dz \end{bmatrix}.$$
 
Re: finding the differential

Yep, that's exactly it. The dimensions of my matrix didn't work with the function mapping R^3 to R^2. You're also right that the (x, y, z) coordinate should be evaluated for each partial derivative in the matrix. Thanks for clearing this up. (Yes)
 

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