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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function \(\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}h}\frac{x}{\sqrt{h^2+x^2-\sqrt{2}hx}}dx\), which involves techniques of integration and manipulation of the integrand's structure.

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  • Participants discuss various methods for tackling the integral, including substitution and integration by parts. Some express difficulty in progressing with these methods, while others suggest completing the square in the denominator as a potential approach.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and insights. Some have provided guidance on specific substitutions, while others are exploring the implications of their approaches without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the manipulation of terms and the effectiveness of certain integration techniques. Participants are also questioning the validity of their steps and the assumptions made during the integration process.

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Homework Statement


Perform the following integration:

\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}h}\frac{x}{\sqrt{h^2+x^2-\sqrt{2}hx}}dx

Homework Equations



The solution (via wolframalpha.com) is:

[\sqrt{h^2+x^2-\sqrt{2}hx}+\frac{h}{\sqrt{2}}ln(2(\sqrt{h^2+x^2-\sqrt{2}hx}+x)-\sqrt{2}h)

Evaluated from 0 to sqrt(2)h

Here is the link: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x/[(h^2+x^2-(2^(1/2))*x*h)^(1/2)]

The Attempt at a Solution



I immediately looked at a substitution and an integration by parts. They left me worse off than before. Then, I went to wolframalpha in order to see how to do it. They could not show any steps. I am not sure how to integrate this by hand. Any advice?

If this is an integral that you simply look up in a table, could someone point me to the methods used (no matter how complex) that will solve this?

Thanks for reading.
 
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First complete the square in the denominator:
x^2- \sqrt{2}hx+ h^2= x^2- 2\sqrt{2}hx+ \frac{h^2}{2}- \frac{h^2}{2}+ h^2
(x- \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h)^2+ \frac{h^2}{2}

Make the substitution
u= x- \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h
 
CalcYouLater said:

Homework Statement


Perform the following integration:

\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}h}\frac{x}{\sqrt{h^2+x^2-\sqrt{2}hx}}dx

Homework Equations



The solution (via wolframalpha.com) is:

[\sqrt{h^2+x^2-\sqrt{2}hx}+\frac{h}{\sqrt{2}}ln(2(\sqrt{h^2+x^2-\sqrt{2}hx}+x)-\sqrt{2}h)

Evaluated from 0 to sqrt(2)h

Here is the link: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x/[(h^2+x^2-(2^(1/2))*x*h)^(1/2)]

The Attempt at a Solution



I immediately looked at a substitution and an integration by parts. They left me worse off than before. Then, I went to wolframalpha in order to see how to do it. They could not show any steps. I am not sure how to integrate this by hand. Any advice?

If this is an integral that you simply look up in a table, could someone point me to the methods used (no matter how complex) that will solve this?

Thanks for reading.
Try completing the square under the radical. Then do a substitution.

\sqrt{h^2+x^2-\sqrt{2}hx}}\ =\ \sqrt{x^2-2\frac{h}{\sqrt{2}}x+\frac{h^2}{2}-\frac{h^2}{2}+h^2}\,}

=\sqrt{\left(x-\frac{h}{\sqrt{2}}\right)^2+\frac{h^2}{2}\,}
 
Thank you, HallsofIvy and SammyS.

Following HallsofIvy's suggestion for the value of u, I did the following:

\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}h}\frac{x}{\sqrt{h^2+x^2-\sqrt{2}hx}}dx\rightarrow{\int\frac{u+\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h}{\sqrt{(u^{2}+\frac{h^{2}}{2})}}du\rightarrow{\int\frac{u+\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h}{\sqrt{(u-\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h)(u+\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h)}}du




Then:

{\int\frac{u+\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h}{\sqrt{(u-\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h)(u+\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h)}}du={\int\sqrt{\frac{u+\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h}{u-\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h}}du

Here is where things began to get circular. I tried integration by parts two times in succession, this lead me back to the original integral (the last one listed above). It seems I either over-complicated the situation, or missed a key step.
 
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CalcYouLater said:
Thank you, HallsofIvy and SammyS.

Following HallsofIvy's suggestion for the value of u, I did the following:

\int_{0}^{\sqrt{2}h}\frac{x}{\sqrt{h^2+x^2-\sqrt{2}hx}}dx\rightarrow{\int\frac{u+\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h}{\sqrt{(u^{2}+\frac{h^{2}}{2})}}du\rightarrow{\int\frac{u+\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h}{\sqrt{(u-\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h)(u+\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h)}}du

u^{2}+\frac{h^{2}}{2}\neq\left(u-\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h\right)\left(u+\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h\right)


\left(a+b\right)\left(a-b\right)=a^2-b^2\neq a^2+b^2

Break the integrand up:

\int\frac{u+\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h}{\sqrt{u^{2}+\frac{h^{2}}{2}}}\ du=\int\frac{u}{\sqrt{u^{2}+\frac{h^{2}}{2}}}\ du\ +\ \left(\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h\right)\int\frac{1}{\sqrt{u^{2}+\left(\frac{h}{\sqrt{2}}\right)^2}}\ du

The first can be done by the substitution t= u^2+\frac{h^2}{2}\,, or even better, t= \sqrt{u^2+\frac{h^2}{2}}\,.

The second by the substitution u= \frac{h\,\tan(v)}{\sqrt{2}}\,.
 
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Thanks SammyS! After a bit I was able to work out the answer as:

\sqrt{x^2-\sqrt{2}hx+h^2}+\frac{\sqrt{2}h}{2}[ln((\frac{\sqrt{2}h}{2})(\sqrt{x^2-\sqrt{2}hx+h^2}+x-\frac{\sqrt{2}h}{2}))]

Which after evaluating from 0 to sqrt(2)h gives me:

\frac{\sqrt{2}h}{2}[ln(1+\sqrt{2})-ln(\sqrt(2)-1)]

Which is the same result as listed in the initial problem. Thanks again! It was good to sharpen my integration skills.
 

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