How to intuitively see the v^2 relation to kinetic energy?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the relationship between velocity squared (v^2) and kinetic energy (KE), particularly how to intuitively grasp this connection. Participants explore various approaches, including mathematical derivations, conceptual reasoning, and real-world analogies, without reaching a consensus on a singular intuitive explanation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that kinetic energy is proportional to v^2, citing the formula KE = 1/2 m*v^2 and seeks an intuitive understanding of this relationship.
  • Another participant suggests checking an external resource for insights on why kinetic energy increases quadratically with speed.
  • A participant discusses the relationship between power, force, and speed, noting that pushing a fast-moving object requires more power, leading to a greater accumulation of kinetic energy.
  • One participant elaborates on the connection between momentum and kinetic energy, proposing that momentum is proportional to v and kinetic energy to v^2, based on everyday observations of car collisions.
  • A different perspective is introduced, emphasizing that energy is always positive regardless of direction, while momentum can have both positive and negative values, supporting the idea that energy is proportional to an even power of v.
  • Another participant mentions a general definition of work and its relation to kinetic energy, noting that the same principles apply in special relativity, although the quadratic relationship does not hold in that context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints and approaches to understanding the v^2 relationship with kinetic energy, but no consensus is reached. Multiple competing ideas and interpretations remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on intuitive reasoning and everyday observations, while others involve mathematical definitions. The discussion does not resolve the nuances of these approaches or their implications in different contexts.

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KE is proportional to v^2. In a gravitational field KE=1/2 m*v^2.
It's easy to find mathematically Work=Fd=mad=m(v/t)(v*t)=m*v^2.

But how to visualize it or get an intuitively "feel" for this v^2 relationship?
 
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The amount of power it takes to push something is equal to how hard you push times how fast you push. So far that's pretty intuitive right?

Accelerating something that's moving fast requires me to push fast.
Accelerating something that's moving slow requires that I push slow.

If I push equally hard on the fast thing and the slow thing, then I'll put more power into the fast thing, so, it will be accumulating more kinetic energy while accelerating at the same rate.
 
mrspeedybob said:
If I push equally hard on the fast thing and the slow thing, then I'll put more power into the fast thing, so, it will be accumulating more kinetic energy while accelerating at the same rate.

Yes, thank you.

Funny you should respond today. I was thinking about this again today and I reason as such that momentum is m*v and the rate at which momentum is traveling is (m*v)*v which is kinetic energy. I like the way you put it very much too.
 
There is a completely different way to approach a semi-intuitive understanding that agrees with everyday observations.

Consider two cars colliding while traveling 60 mph. If they were traveling in the same direction, the consequences are very different than if they were traveling in opposite directions. Thus, momentum has a +- sign. ##v^1## has a +- sign.

Consider the energy needed to accelerate a car to 60 mph. You could measure that by the fuel consumed during acceleration. The fuel needed is always positive regardless of the +- orientation of the drag strip. ##v^2## is always positive.

Using these arguments, momentum must be proportional to an odd power of v and energy proportional to an even power of v. 1 and 2 are the smallest (simplest) nonzero powers that fit. If you always guess the simplest possible solution, you will nearly always be correct.

Therefore, based only what you observe at the drag strip, your intuition should make you guess ##v^2## for K.E. and ##v^1## for momentum. Further search of your intuitive knowledge of car collisions (based on watching Mythbusters on TV) should lead you to conclude that both momentum and K.E. must also be proportional to mass.

##p=mv## and ##K.E.=mv^2## can be completely intuitive without studying physics. Do you agree?
 
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Good Definitions are a good place to start.
##Work=\int v dp## is a very general definition.
Now use p=mv. Then work = the change in kinetic energy. The important factor of 1/2 shows up.

The same definition works in special relativity... but you don't get a quadratic relation.
 
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