How to picture the magnetic vector potental A

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The discussion revolves around the nature and interpretation of the magnetic vector potential \( A \) in relation to the magnetic field \( B \). Participants explore theoretical concepts, mathematical representations, and implications in both classical and quantum physics contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the vector potential \( A \) can exist outside regions where the magnetic field \( B \) is zero, contrasting it with the electric potential derived from the electric field \( E \).
  • Another participant explains that the curl of \( A \) corresponds to \( B \), suggesting that \( A \) circulates around points of nonzero \( B \) and can be represented in various forms through gauge choices.
  • A different participant emphasizes that while \( A \) is often viewed as a mathematical convenience in classical electromagnetism, it plays a significant role in quantum physics, where particles can be influenced by \( A \) even in regions of zero \( B \), citing the Aharonov-Bohm effect as an example.
  • One participant clarifies that \( A \) is not expressed solely in terms of \( B \) due to its gauge dependence, noting that different forms of \( A \) can yield the same \( B \) field.
  • Another participant finds the Lorenz gauge helpful for visualizing \( A \) as independent scalar potentials corresponding to current components, although this approach complicates the interpretation of the Lorentz force direction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the physicality and interpretation of the vector potential \( A \). There is no consensus on whether \( A \) should be considered a physical field or merely a mathematical tool, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding its implications in classical versus quantum contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding \( A \) due to its gauge dependence and the varying interpretations across different physical frameworks. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about the nature of potentials and fields.

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whats a good way to picture the vector potental A in terms of B & like what exactly is A & how does it even exist outside a torus where B & etc =0

for example its easy to see the electric potential uses the electric field E like E*ds & its quite obvious,
wheras how does A not even contain the B field

also why is A sometimes said to not even exist or is just a paper shortcut when it actualy seems to work or exist in some way. thanks
 
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Since the curl of the vector potential A is equal to the magnetic field B, a good way to think of it is that A circulates around any point where B is nonzero--its net circulation around a point gives the B field at that point, according to the right-hand rule. It is important to remember though that you can always write down different A's to produce the same B field--this is called choosing a gauge. For example, a uniform B field in the z direction could be represented by any of the following:
A = -By i
A = Bx j
A = -By/2 i + Bx/2 j
where i is the unit vector in the x direction, and j is the unit vector in the y direction, and B is the magnitude of B.
If you plot these, you will see that they all look quite different, but they all circulate around in a similar fashion.

In classical E&M, the B field is the measurable quantity, so A is said to just be a mathematical convenience. However, in quantum physics, particles can be affected by magnetism even if they never pass through a region of nonzero B--instead they directly interact with A. A good example is the Aharanov-Bohm effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aharanov-Bohm_effect
 
What do you mean the vector potential ##A## isn't given in terms of the magnetic field ##B##? ##\nabla \times A = B## so you can picture it in terms of the usual geometric interpretation of the curl (think of the vorticity of velocity fields of fluids). The reason classically that ##A## is said to simply be a purely mathematical field (and not a physical field) is because it is not a gauge invariant quantity. I can take ##A \rightarrow A + \nabla \varphi## and I will still get the same physical magnetic field ##B## i.e. ##\nabla \times (A + \nabla \varphi) =\nabla \times A##.
 
I've found it helpful to look at the vector potential in the Lorenz gauge -- where each component of the vector potential acts like an independent scalar potential for the corresponding current component...so you can imagine each infinitesimal current-element in the <x, y, z> direction as a source for a corresponding 1/r A field whose vector points in the same <x, y, z> direction. What you lose, though, is the ability to see the direction of the Lorentz force by just comparing the directions of two vectors at a single point.
 

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