How to reduce a distributed load to a resultant force

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on how to reduce a distributed load from a slurry inside a PVC pipe to a resultant force, particularly in the context of analyzing the deflection of the pipe. Participants explore various methods for calculating the resultant force and its implications on the pipe's behavior under load.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the resultant force can be placed at the center of the pipe, assuming a homogeneous slurry, but expresses uncertainty about the magnitude.
  • Another participant proposes using the integral of the load along the pipe, emphasizing the need to understand how the load is distributed.
  • A different viewpoint indicates that if the load is not uniformly distributed, a numerical integral method, such as Simpson's Rule, may be more appropriate.
  • One participant provides a detailed mathematical approach to calculate the cross-sectional area of the slurry and the total weight, suggesting that this weight can be represented as a midspan point load on the pipe.
  • Another participant mentions the possibility of using surface integrals and symmetry considerations in the analysis.
  • A later reply challenges the initial approach, stating that the bending moment variation differs between distributed and concentrated loads, and emphasizes the need to consider the specific load distribution for deflection analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods for reducing the distributed load and analyzing the deflection of the pipe. There is no consensus on the best approach, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the appropriate techniques to apply.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in their approaches, such as the assumption of uniformity in the slurry distribution and the need to account for varying load distributions when analyzing deflection.

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Hi everyone,

So I am trying to study how different types of slurry will deflect a PVC pipe. The first step in my understanding is to reduce distributed load into a resultant force. I'm assuming that the resultant force will be placed in the center of the pipe (assuming a homogeneous slurry), but the magnitude eludes me.

It's a 31in pipe, 4in diameter and the slurry (simple for the sake of calculation) is water @ 75F. The PVC is schedule 40, although that would matter for the reduction of the distributed load.

Would anyone be able to point me in the right direction?
 
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You take the integral of the load along the pipe as usual.
This means you need to know how the load is distributed over the pipe.
 
Although the integral method works for all loadings, it cannot be used if you look at the distributed load along the length of the pipe, because it is not uniformly distributed along the "b" distance of the pipe. So would I have to start off by looking down the center of the pipe i.e. a circle and then apply the integral method that way? so (integral) (b)(r^2-x^2)^0.5 would be the proper equation maybe?
 
benanderson08: Let's say the pipe has an inside diameter of d1. Let's say the slurry inside the pipe has a depth of h at the pipe centerline, and the slurry depth is constant along the pipe length. Therefore, the pipe inside radius is r = 0.5*d1. Looking down the center of the pipe, the cross-sectional area of the slurry is,

A1 = (h - r)[h*(2*r - h)]^0.5 + (r^2){0.5*pi + asin[(h - r)/r]},​

where pi = 3.1416. Therefore, the total weight of the slurry in the pipe is,

W1 = (rho1*g)*A1*L,​

where rho1*g = 9810 N/m^3 = 9.81e-6 N/mm^3, and L = pipe length. Therefore, to reduce the slurry uniformly-distributed load to a pipe midspan point load, place a force W1 at the pipe midspan.

Let's try an example. In post 1 you have, d1 = 101.6 mm, and L = 787.4 mm. Therefore, r = 50.8 mm. And let's say the slurry depth in the pipe is, h = 70 mm. Therefore,

A1 = (70 - 50.8)[70(2*50.8 - 70)]^0.5 + (50.8^2){0.5*3.1416 + asin[(70 - 50.8)/50.8]}
= 19.20(47.032) + 2580.6{1.5708 + asin(0.3780)}
= 19.20(47.032) + 2580.6{1.5708 + [(22.210 deg)/(57.2958 deg/rad)]}
= 19.20(47.032) + 2580.6(1.5708 + 0.3876)
= 903.01 + 5053.8
= 5957 mm^2.​

Therefore, the slurry total weight is, W1 = (9.81e-6 N/mm^3)(5957 mm^2)(787.4 mm) = 46.01 Newtons. Therefore, the slurry can be represented as a pipe midspan force of W1 = 46.01 N.

Did you want to include the pipe wall (self) weight? If so, compute the pipe self weight, W2, and add it to W1.
 
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... and of course there is the possibility of doing a surface integral and/or exploiting what you know of the symmetry.

... and there you have it. Enjoy.
 
benanderson08 said:
Hi everyone,

So I am trying to study how different types of slurry will deflect a PVC pipe. The first step in my understanding is to reduce distributed load into a resultant force. I'm assuming that the resultant force will be placed in the center of the pipe (assuming a homogeneous slurry), but the magnitude eludes me.

It's a 31in pipe, 4in diameter and the slurry (simple for the sake of calculation) is water @ 75F. The PVC is schedule 40, although that would matter for the reduction of the distributed load.

Would anyone be able to point me in the right direction?
You can't analyze the deflection of the pipe in this way. The bending moment variation is different for a distributed load than for a concentrated load. You need to take the specific load distribution into account in determining the deflection. This has to be analyzed like a beam under a distributed load.

Chet
 

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