How to rigorously motivate the following formula

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The discussion centers on the formula \int_{0}^\infty \frac{dt}{t}e^{-tx}=-\log x, which is frequently encountered in physics but presents mathematical inconsistencies. Participants highlight that the integral diverges, particularly when evaluated at x = 1, leading to contradictions. A proposed correction involves using the convergent integral -\int_0^{\infty} \frac {dt}{t}(e^{-xt}-e^{-t}). The conversation emphasizes the need for rigorous mathematical justification for such formulas, especially in academic contexts.

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I have encountered the following formula a couple of times (always in a physics context, of course..)
\int_{0}^\infty \frac{dt}{t}e^{-tx}=-\log x
Formally one can "derive" this formula by noting that
\log x=\int \frac{dx}{x}=\int dx \int_0^\infty dte^{-xt}=-\int_0^\infty \frac{dt}{t}e^{-xt}
But the t integral obviously diverges. So there must be some regularization of this integral but this is never explained (and sometimes they write that the integral is from ##0^+## instead of 0, whatever that means).
 
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From a mathematical point of view, this doesn't look right. logx=\int_1^x \frac{du}{u}. Therefore the final integral should be:
-\int_0^{\infty} \frac {dt}{t}(e^{-xt}-e^{-t}), which is convergent.
 
Kurret said:
I have encountered the following formula a couple of times (always in a physics context, of course..)
\int_{0}^\infty \frac{dt}{t}e^{-tx}=-\log x

Set ##x = 1## and you get:

\int_{0}^\infty \frac{dt}{t}e^{-t}=0

Which can't be right.

In any case, the LHS is positive and the RHS is negative for ##x > 1##.
 
mathman said:
From a mathematical point of view, this doesn't look right. logx=\int_1^x \frac{du}{u}. Therefore the final integral should be:
-\int_0^{\infty} \frac {dt}{t}(e^{-xt}-e^{-t}), which is convergent.
PeroK said:
Set ##x = 1## and you get:

\int_{0}^\infty \frac{dt}{t}e^{-t}=0

Which can't be right.

In any case, the LHS is positive and the RHS is negative for ##x > 1##.
I agree with everything you are saying, but this is a formula I see quite often but I never understand what it means due to these issues. Just to throw in an example, look at page 5 before equation 1.11 of the following paper
http://arxiv.org/pdf/0804.1773v1.pdf
 
I don't see the relation between the formula that uses a sum, an additional integral, some function K and other things but no exponential, and your function (which has been shown to be wrong).
 
Kurret said:
How to rigorously motivate the following formula
Try offering it pizza. Always works for me :smile:
 
mfb said:
I don't see the relation between the formula that uses a sum, an additional integral, some function K and other things but no exponential, and your function (which has been shown to be wrong).
The additional sum is the only difference. Just substitute the equation just before to get rid of the inner three dimensional integral.

mfb said:
and your function (which has been shown to be wrong).
I am not making this up, I have seen this divergent integral popping up several times without any comments about the obvious fact that it is wrong...
 

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