How to Solve an Integral with Trigonometric Functions and Exponents?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral from 0 to e^x of sin(tan^-1(e^(sqrt(x)))) with a focus on trigonometric functions and exponents. Participants are exploring the complexities of this integral and the implications of the involved functions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss rewriting the integral in a different form and consider the implications of variable usage in limits of integration. There are mentions of using trigonometric identities and substitutions, as well as concerns about the complexity of the integral.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on potential substitutions and questioning the feasibility of solving the integral as posed. Some express doubt about the appropriateness of the problem for the class level, while others suggest alternative approaches, such as finding the derivative of the integral instead of solving it directly.

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There are indications that the problem may exceed the expected difficulty for the participants' current coursework, and assumptions about the integral's solvability are being questioned.

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Homework Statement


evaluate the integral from 0 to e^x of sin(tan^-1(e^(sqrt (x)))dx

Homework Equations


all trig function such as sin=opp/hypo, cos=adj/hypo, tan oppo/adj

The Attempt at a Solution


I believe the integral can be written as the integral from 0 to e^x of (e^sqrt(x))/(sqrt(1+e^(2sqrt(x))).

Anyone know how to solve this problem?
 
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rich_machine said:

Homework Statement


evaluate the integral from 0 to e^x of sin(tan^-1(e^(sqrt (x)))dx


Homework Equations


all trig function such as sin=opp/hypo, cos=adj/hypo, tan oppo/adj


The Attempt at a Solution


I believe the integral can be written as the integral from 0 to e^x of (e^sqrt(x))/(sqrt(1+e^(2sqrt(x))).

Anyone know how to solve this problem?

Start by sketching a right triangle and label the sides and an acute angle θ so that tan(θ) = e√x. Find sin(θ).
 
using that i can get integral from 0 to e^x of (e^sqrt(x))/(sqrt(1+e^(2sqrt(x)))

how should I continue
 
Mark44 said:
Start by sketching a right triangle and label the sides and an acute angle θ so that tan(θ) = e√x. Find sin(θ).

using that I can find integral from 0 to e^x of (e^sqrt(x))/(sqrt(1+e^(2sqrt(x)))

how should I continue
 
Where is dx? If you are in the habit of ignoring it and omitting it, you will come to grief, and things will become very difficult.

Here's the integral that you are reporting in post #4:
$$ \int_0^{e^x} \frac{e^{\sqrt{x}}~dx}{\sqrt{1 + e^{2\sqrt{x}}}}$$

It's not a very good practice to have the same variable in one or both limits of integration as in the "dummy" variable of the integrand. Let's change that.
$$ \int_{t = 0}^{t = e^x} \frac{e^{\sqrt{t}}~dt}{\sqrt{1 + e^{2\sqrt{t}}}}$$

That looks better.

To make forward probress, an ordinary substitution might be called for here.
 
Mark44 said:
Where is dx? If you are in the habit of ignoring it and omitting it, you will come to grief, and things will become very difficult.

Here's the integral that you are reporting in post #4:
$$ \int_0^{e^x} \frac{e^{\sqrt{x}}~dx}{\sqrt{1 + e^{2\sqrt{x}}}}$$

It's not a very good practice to have the same variable in one or both limits of integration as in the "dummy" variable of the integrand. Let's change that.
$$ \int_{t = 0}^{t = e^x} \frac{e^{\sqrt{t}}~dt}{\sqrt{1 + e^{2\sqrt{t}}}}$$

That looks better.

To make forward probress, an ordinary substitution might be called for here.

I don't think any simple substituition will deal with that, it's a very nasty integral. I think you need nonelementary functions to deal with it, like polylogarithms. I suspect rich_machine isn't telling us the whole question. Do you want to find the derivative of that integral? Finding the derivative of an integral doesn't require finding the integral first.
 
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Dick said:
I don't think any simple substituition will deal with that, it's a very nasty integral.
Mostly, I was looking for directions to go, and it was bothersome that with the substitution I was heading towards, there wasn't anything to make up du.
Dick said:
II think you need nonelementary functions to deal with it, like polylogarithms. I suspect rich_machine isn't telling us the whole question. Do you want to find the derivative of that integral?
This thought did cross my mind.
Dick said:
Finding the derivative of an integral doesn't require finding the integral first.
 
Thank you dick and mark. I believe my calc professor has assigned a problem well beyond the scope of the class. Most likely he created the problem himself at a moments notice and did not realize the difficulty of the integral.
 
I assume the tan^-1 means arctan, not cotan.

My inclination is to get rid of the arctan first, setting it to theta:
##\int\sin(\theta).dx## where ##x = ln(2\tan(\theta))##, so ##dx = \frac 1{\sin(\theta)\cos(\theta)}dθ##.
Looks easy from there.
 

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