totentanz
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Can anyone help me solving x2+1/x4+1...thanks
The discussion revolves around solving the integral of the function (x^2 + 1)/(x^4 + 1). Participants are exploring various methods and approaches to tackle this integral, which falls under the subject area of calculus.
The discussion is ongoing, with various suggestions and methods being proposed. Some participants have provided guidance on potential approaches, while others express uncertainty about their ability to implement these methods effectively. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.
Participants note the complexity of the integral and the challenges they face in finding a complete solution. There are references to previous knowledge and techniques that may not be applicable in this context, indicating a need for clarification on the methods discussed.
Caramon said:Did you use partial fractions to get that result? I think he may be referring to the integral of ((x^2 + 1)/(x^4 + 1))dx
Caramon said:Did you use partial fractions to get that result? I think he may be referring to:
[tex] \int{\frac{{x^2}+1}{{x^4}+1}dx}[/tex]
ThomasEgense said:This is the solution, however getting there is not clear :)
http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp?expr=(x*x+1)/(x*x*x*x+1)&
HallsofIvy said:[itex]x^4+ 1= 0[/itex] has no real roots but we can write [itex]x^4= -1[/itex] so that [itex]x^2= \pm i[/itex] and then get [itex]x= \sqrt{2}{2}(1+ i)[/itex], [itex]x= \sqrt{2}{2}(1- i)[/itex], [itex]x= \sqrt{2}{2}(-1+ i)[/itex], and [itex]x= \sqrt{2}{2}(-1- i)[/itex] as the four roots. We can pair those by cojugates:
[tex]\left(x- \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}(1+ i)\right)\left(x- \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}(1- i)\right)[/tex][tex]= \left((x- \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2})- i\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\right)\left((x- \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2})+ i\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\right)[/tex][tex]= (x- \sqrt{2}{2})^2+ \frac{1}{2}= x^2- \sqrt{2}x+ 1[/tex]
and
[tex]\left(x- \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}(-1+ i)\right)\left(x- \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}(-1- i)\right)[/tex][tex]= x^2+ \sqrt{2}x+ 1[/tex]
That is, the denominator [itex]x^4+ 1[/itex] factors as
[tex](x^2+ \sqrt{2}x+ 1)(x^2- \sqrt{2}x+ 1)[/tex]
and you can use partial fractions with those.
dextercioby said:Back in my high school days I knew tricks for these. For an anti-derivative sought in a subset of R excluding 0, we can make the following tricks:
[tex]\int \frac{x^2 +1}{x^4 +1} \, dx = \int \frac{1+\frac{1}{x^2}}{x^2 + \frac{1}{x^2}} \, dx = \int \frac{d\left(x-\frac{1}{x}\right)}{\left(x-\frac{1}{x}\right)^2 + \left(\sqrt{2}\right)^2} = ...[/tex]
HallsofIvy said:You have been given a number of different suggestions (dextercioby's making the problem almost trivial) but keep saying you cannot do it- and showing no work at all. Have you tried what dextercioby suggested? What did you do and where did you run into trouble.
totentanz said:I am working on solving it all week,and I can not find a complete answer except what Mr.dextercioby show...and I already solve this "normalization of the wavefunction",thank you for your care