How to Solve the Radical Equation Using Fifth Root and Square Root?

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The discussion revolves around solving the radical equation involving the fifth root and square root, specifically demonstrating that the fifth root of the expression \(176 + 80\sqrt{5}\) equals \(1 + \sqrt{5}\). Participants explore different methods to prove this equality, including direct calculation and the application of the binomial theorem.

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  • One participant suggests raising both sides of the equation to the 5th power to start the proof.
  • Another participant calculates \((1+\sqrt{5})^5\) using multiplication of terms, showing it equals \(176 + 80\sqrt{5}\).
  • A different approach using the binomial theorem is proposed, where \((1+\sqrt{5})^5\) is expanded as a sum, leading to the same conclusion.
  • There is acknowledgment of the usefulness of the binomial theorem in this context, with expressions being simplified and verified through different methods.

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Participants generally agree on the methods used to demonstrate the equality, but there are multiple approaches presented without a consensus on a single preferred method.

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The discussion includes various mathematical steps and assumptions that are not fully resolved, such as the dependence on the correctness of the binomial expansion and the calculations involved in raising terms to powers.

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Let frt = fifth root

Let sqrt = square root

Show that frt{176 + 80sqrt{5}} = 1 + sqrt{5}

Do I raise both sides to the 5th power?

Can someone get me started?
 
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Yes. By raising both sides to the 5th power we get:
$$\left (\sqrt[5]{176+80\sqrt{5}}\right )^5=\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^5 \Rightarrow 176+80\sqrt{5}=\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^5$$

So, we have to calculate $\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^5$ and show that it is equal to $176+80\sqrt{5}$:

We have that $$\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^5=\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2\cdot \left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2\cdot \left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )$$

the first term is:
$$\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2=1+2\cdot \sqrt{5}+5=6+2\sqrt{5}$$

The first two terms are:
$$\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2\cdot \left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2=\left (\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2\right )^2=\left (6+2\sqrt{5}\right )^2=36+2\cdot 6\cdot 2\sqrt{5}+4\cdot 5=36+24\sqrt{5}+20 =56+24\sqrt{5}$$

The whole expression is:
\begin{align*}\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2\cdot \left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2\cdot \left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )&=\left (\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2\cdot \left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2\right )\cdot \left (1+\sqrt{5}\right ) \\ & =\left (56+24\sqrt{5}\right )\cdot \left (1+\sqrt{5}\right ) \\ & =56+24\sqrt{5}+56\sqrt{5}+24\cdot 5 \\ & =56+80\sqrt{5}+120 \\ & =176+80\sqrt{5}\end{align*}
 
An alternate approach would be to use the binomial theorem:

$$(1+\sqrt{5})^5=\sum_{k=0}^{5}\left({5 \choose k}\sqrt{5}^k\right)$$

$$(1+\sqrt{5})^5=1+5\sqrt{5}+50+50\sqrt{5}+125+25\sqrt{5}=176+80\sqrt{5}$$

And so:

$$\sqrt[5]{176+80\sqrt{5}}=\sqrt[5]{(1+\sqrt{5})^5}=1+\sqrt{5}$$
 
mathmari said:
Yes. By raising both sides to the 5th power we get:
$$\left (\sqrt[5]{176+80\sqrt{5}}\right )^5=\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^5 \Rightarrow 176+80\sqrt{5}=\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^5$$

So, we have to calculate $\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^5$ and show that it is equal to $176+80\sqrt{5}$:

We have that $$\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^5=\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2\cdot \left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2\cdot \left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )$$

the first term is:
$$\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2=1+2\cdot \sqrt{5}+5=6+2\sqrt{5}$$

The first two terms are:
$$\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2\cdot \left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2=\left (\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2\right )^2=\left (6+2\sqrt{5}\right )^2=36+2\cdot 6\cdot 2\sqrt{5}+4\cdot 5=36+24\sqrt{5}+20 =56+24\sqrt{5}$$

The whole expression is:
\begin{align*}\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2\cdot \left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2\cdot \left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )&=\left (\left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2\cdot \left (1+\sqrt{5}\right )^2\right )\cdot \left (1+\sqrt{5}\right ) \\ & =\left (56+24\sqrt{5}\right )\cdot \left (1+\sqrt{5}\right ) \\ & =56+24\sqrt{5}+56\sqrt{5}+24\cdot 5 \\ & =56+80\sqrt{5}+120 \\ & =176+80\sqrt{5}\end{align*}

Thank you very much for providing such a detailed reply.

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MarkFL said:
An alternate approach would be to use the binomial theorem:

$$(1+\sqrt{5})^5=\sum_{k=0}^{5}\left({5 \choose k}\sqrt{5}^k\right)$$

$$(1+\sqrt{5})^5=1+5\sqrt{5}+50+50\sqrt{5}+125+25\sqrt{5}=176+80\sqrt{5}$$

And so:

$$\sqrt[5]{176+80\sqrt{5}}=\sqrt[5]{(1+\sqrt{5})^5}=1+\sqrt{5}$$

Thanks a million. I had no idea that the binomial theorem is somehow connected here. I learn something new every time I visit this site.
 

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