How to unscrew a screw that has no inner screw pattern?

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The discussion revolves around how to unscrew a screw that lacks an inner screw pattern, with participants exploring various interpretations of the screw type and potential removal methods. The context includes practical applications and safety considerations related to electrical components.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the specific characteristics of the screw, suggesting it may be a rivet or a carriage bolt.
  • One participant proposes drilling out a pop-rivet with a twist drill, depending on the material of the rivet.
  • Another participant mentions the possibility of "press screws," which may have grooves and can be pressed or driven out.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of disassembling an AC mains extension plug, with warnings about potential hazards.
  • Participants discuss the implications of using rivets instead of screws, suggesting it may discourage repair attempts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the exact nature of the screw or the best method for removal. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain, particularly regarding the type of fastener and the associated safety risks.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the specific screw type and removal techniques, highlighting the need for visual confirmation. Safety concerns regarding electrical components are emphasized but remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals dealing with mechanical fasteners, electrical repairs, or those seeking advice on DIY projects involving non-standard screws or rivets.

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How do we unscrew a screw with no inner screw pattern?

Just saw one on other place so is not on hand now, it has no engraved pattern at all hopefully its pic, could be brought in
 
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abdulbadii said:
How do we unscrew a screw with no inner screw pattern?

Just saw one on other place so is not on hand now, it has no engraved pattern at all hopefully its pic, could be brought in
Wha? Do you have an image that you could post? Your description is not adequate . . .
 
abdulbadii said:
How do we unscrew a screw with no inner screw pattern?

Just saw one on other place so is not on hand now, it has no engraved pattern at all hopefully its pic, could be brought in
Do you mean that the screw head is flat and has no pattern for a tool to unscrew the screw?

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https://previews.123rf.com/images/lior2/lior20901/lior2090100037/4178113-recessed-screw-head.jpg
 
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abdulbadii said:
no inner screw pattern?
You mean a "rivet?"
 
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abdulbadii said:
How do we unscrew a screw with no inner screw pattern?
If it has only a small hole in the centre then it is probably a pop-rivet.

To remove an aluminium rivet, drill it out with a twist drill about 2.5 times the diameter of the hole.
If stainless steel, drill it with a cobalt drill, or carefully grind the head off flush with the surface.
 
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Is it a carriage bolt?
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Bystander said:
You mean a "rivet?"
Very likely, some white thing around it, suspect it's like common hot glue. It's on China Krisbow outlet extension plug having 3 parallel plugs
 
Can you post a picture? You can use the "Attach files" button below the Edit window to upload a JPEG or PDF file.
 
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Here is a "re-focused" copy of the image with a little more detail:
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Two possibilities here:
(1)
Those look like rivets. Your best bet is to drill them out using a slightly oversized drill bit. Oversized because often the body of the rivet is also expanded, so you have to get slightly below the head.

Even then, you may have to drive the rivet out because the rest of the body has also expanded to a tight fit in the hole. This occurs when the rivet is a soft material, used because less force is needed in manufacturing to 'mushroom' the end.

It is often possible to do the operation using a hand-held drill but you WILL need to hold the work in a vice; being plastic you probably will not be able to just clamp it securely enough to the work surface.

(2)
Those could be something like "press screws" (I don't know their correct name), essentially nails with several grooves cut in them, often spiral grooves with a very shallow pitch. There is a hint of grooves on the brightly lit one on the right side of the photo, at about the 7 or 8 o'clock position. If the grooves are there and they have an obvious head on only one end they can be pressed out, or driven out if you do not have a press.

Hope this helps! Please let us know your progress.

Cheers,
Tom
 
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abdulbadii said:
Very likely, some white thing around it, suspect it's like common hot glue. It's on China Krisbow outlet extension plug having 3 parallel plugs
By using rivets instead of screws, the manufacturer may have tried to discourage any attempt of disassembling and repair.
How do you plan on putting the assembly back together?
 
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Tom.G said:
Here is a "re-focused" copy of the image with a little more detail:
Very cool, Tom! How did you "re-focus" the image?

abdulbadii said:
It's on China Krisbow outlet extension plug having 3 parallel plugs
Why are you wanting to take apart an AC Mains extension plug assembly? Sounds a bit dangerous...
 
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Inside it, it's installs some pressing spring for clasping/fastening the 2 metal plug, which is too strongly tight, so try to detach them
Though have done the same China's stuff with triangular screw but bit surprised this time
 
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abdulbadii said:
Though have done the same China's stuff with triangular screw but bit surprised this time
As has already been mentioned...
Lnewqban said:
By using rivets instead of screws, the manufacturer may have tried to discourage any attempt of disassembling and repair.
 
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abdulbadii said:
Inside it, it's installs some pressing spring for clasping/fastening the 2 metal plug, which is too strongly tight, so try to detach them
Without that spring, the electrical contact may not be good, making it a fire hazard. To avoid danger, leave it alone.
 
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Since we now know what this OP is asking about, this thread is now closed for safety reasons.

@abdulbadii -- please don't hack into AC Mains stuff.
 
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