How was tuning a piano done 50 or 60 years ago? (no apps back then)

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The discussion explores the methods used for tuning pianos 50 or 60 years ago, focusing on the tools and techniques available at that time, particularly in the absence of modern technology such as mobile apps and digital tuners.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a tuning fork to tune a single string while damping others, followed by tuning pairs of strings using the concept of beats.
  • Another participant proposes tuning an octave around the cycle of fifths, noting the importance of achieving tempered tuning and that high notes should be somewhat sharp.
  • Strobe tuners are mentioned as being available, but there is uncertainty about their availability in the early 20th century.
  • A participant questions the practicality of tuning methods described, particularly regarding the reliance on listening for beats while tuning.
  • Concerns are raised about the physical challenges of piano tuning, such as the crude nature of piano pegs that can stick or twist.
  • There is a repeated inquiry into how famous pianists like Scriabin and Rachmaninoff had their pianos tuned without modern technology.

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Participants express differing views on the methods and tools used for piano tuning in the past, with no consensus reached on the specifics of the techniques employed.

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Some assumptions about the availability of tools like strobe tuners and the effectiveness of tuning methods are not fully resolved, and the discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with historical tuning practices.

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I am curious about this and tried a web search but most what I find seems not to say specifically:
How were pianos put in tune some five or six decades ago? No mobile apps were available that far back. Tune one single string with all the others damped , using a tuning fork? Then what? Do two strings struck at once and listen for beatings and make adjustment? Then would the technician have needed six or seven or eight different tuning forks? Once those few strings are tuned, get the rest in tune using octaves or unisons and listen for the reduction in beatings as a string is adjusted?
 
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One tuning fork. Tune an octave around the cycle of fifths (up fifths, down fourths). The fifths have a known number of beats per second to get tempered tuning. Once you've got an octave then tune all the other octaves. A tricky part is that the high notes should be somewhat sharp.

Strobe tuners were available.
 
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Hornbein said:
Strobe tuners were available.
Was that type of electronics device available in early 20th century?

The rest of your description would seem difficult. The technician listened to some known number of beats per second?
 
Hornbein said:
One tuning fork. Tune an octave around the cycle of fifths (up fifths, down fourths). The fifths have a known number of beats per second to get tempered tuning. Once you've got an octave then tune all the other octaves. A tricky part is that the high notes should be somewhat sharp.

Strobe tuners were available.
Let me push this further. When Alex Scriabin or Sergei Rachmaninoff needed their pianos tuned, just how did the tuning technician accomplish this? No apps. No strobe tuner (I am assuming).
 
symbolipoint said:
Let me push this further. When Alex Scriabin or Sergei Rachmaninoff needed their pianos tuned, just how did the tuning technician accomplish this? No apps. No strobe tuner (I am assuming).
I already told you. If you don't believe me, this is pretty common knowledge. You could find it somewhere.

The difficulties lie in that piano pegs are crude. They tend to stick or twist.
 
Hornbein said:
I already told you. The difficulties lie in that piano pegs are crude. They tend to stick or twist.
I cannot imagine how that works. Octaves; and then up by a fifth? Then no way to listen for beatings while the coupled notes are played. Did the technician just decide if the two note chord sounded right; and then continue upward and downward?
 

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