How you can say if a line integral will be independant ot a given path

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The discussion revolves around determining the conditions under which a line integral is independent of the path taken in a vector field context. The original poster has computed a line integral but seeks clarification on the necessary conditions for path independence.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the concept of conservative vector fields and the role of the curl in determining path independence. There are suggestions to test different paths and inquiries about how to compute the curl of the vector field.

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The discussion includes various attempts to clarify the conditions for path independence, with some participants providing links and hints for further exploration. There is an ongoing exchange of ideas, but no explicit consensus has been reached regarding the original poster's question.

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Participants mention the need to check the curl of the vector field and the implications of mixed second derivatives, indicating a focus on the mathematical properties of vector fields. There is a suggestion to refer to external resources for definitions and calculations related to curl.

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Here is my problem :
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so far I've solved the line integral but I don't know what is the condition that must be met in order to be independent of the path given.
I found the line integral to be: 27/28
 
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Try an other path between points (0,0,0) and (1,1,1) . What about a straight line, connecting them?

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If the Curl of the vector field = 0 it is conservative and hence path independent.

How would you find the curl of the vector field?
 
Feodalherren said:
If the Curl of the vector field = 0 it is conservative and hence path independent.

How would you find the curl of the vector field?

Open your text and look in the index for "curl"? Or Google it? Or look at the links given in post #2?
 
LCKurtz said:
Open your text and look in the index for "curl"? Or Google it? Or look at the links given in post #2?

I'm not the one looking for help, I was trying to give it :).
 
Feodalherren said:
I'm not the one looking for help, I was trying to give it :).

Woops! My bad. Well with all the hints, maybe the OP will sometime return to the thread.
 
The integral of a vector function, [itex]\vec{F}[/itex], is independent of the path if and only if it is "a derivative". That is, if there exist a real-valued a function, f, such that [itex]\nabla\cdot f= \vec{F}[/itex]. That will be true for this vector function if [itex]f_x= xy[/itex], [itex]f_y= yz[/itex], and [itex]f_z= xz[/itex].

We can check if that is true by looking at the mixed second derivatives: [itex]f_{xy}= x[/itex] and [itex]f_{yx}= z[/itex]. Those are NOT the same so this function is NOT independent of the path.
 

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