I am unsure as to the nature of the potential

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The discussion revolves around a particle with mass m and electric charge e, confined to move in one dimension along the x-axis, experiencing a specified potential. The potential is defined as infinite for x < 0 and follows a specific form for x ≥ 0, leading to questions about its implications in the context of the time-independent Schrödinger equation (TISE).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants express uncertainty regarding the nature of the potential and its implications for the wave function. Some discuss the process of substituting the proposed wave function into the Schrödinger equation and question the validity of the potential's sign. Others suggest using boundary conditions to derive an expression for the constant α.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the potential's characteristics and its mathematical implications. Some participants have provided guidance on the correct approach to the Schrödinger equation, while others have pointed out potential issues with the wave function's normalizability based on the sign of the potential.

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Participants note the importance of proper notation in LaTeX and express varying levels of familiarity with the subject matter, indicating a mix of foundational understanding and confusion regarding the problem's requirements.

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Homework Statement


A particle with mass m and electric charge e is confined to move in one dimension along the x -axis. It experiences the following potential:
##V(x) = {\infty}## for ## x{\lt0}##
##V(x) = -e^2/4\pi\epsilon_0x## for ## x \geq 0 ##
(Note: the way the question is written down features no parentheses around ##4\pi\epsilon_0x##
a) Describe the potential experienced by the particle.
b) (This question just asks to write down the TISE which I can do).
c)For the region ## x \geq 0 ##, by substituting in the Schrödinger equation, show that the wave function
## u(x)= Cxexp(\text{-}\alpha x) ##
can be a satisfactory solution of the Schrödinger equation so long as the constant ##\alpha## is suitably chosen. Determine the unique expression for ##\alpha## in terms of m , e and other fundamental constants. Note that C is a normalisation constant.

Homework Equations


TISE

The Attempt at a Solution


For a) I am unsure to what the potential actually is and for c) I took the second derivative of u(x) and substituted it into the Schrödinger equation but it was more of a stab in the dark then anything else. I also thought about using boundary conditions to find an equation for ##\alpha## but given that my only boundary condition is 0, I've not managed to figure out a way of finding anything meaningful from doing this.
 
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Based on the offered eigenfunction in part (c), I think we can safely conclude that the the potential is [itex]V(x) = \frac{e^{2}}{4\pi\epsilon x}[/itex] for [itex]x\geq 0[/itex]. What does this remind you of?

Yes, "taking the second derivative of u(x) and substituting it into the Schrödinger equation" is the right approach. Can you show your work on this?
 
There should be a negative sign in the potential, otherwise ##\alpha## will be negative and the wavefunction won't be normalizable.
 
Darrenm95 said:

Homework Statement


A particle with mass m and electric charge e is confined to move in one dimension along the x -axis. It experiences the following potential:
##V(x) = {\infty}## for ## x{\lt0}##
##V(x) = e^2/4\pi\epsilon_0x## for ## x \geq 0 ##
(Note: the way the question is written down features no parentheses around ##4\pi\epsilon_0x##
a) Describe the potential experienced by the particle.
b) (This question just asks to write down the TISE which I can do).
c)For the region ## x \geq 0 ##, by substituting in the Schrödinger equation, show that the wave function
## u(x)= Cxexp(\text{-}\alpha x) ##
can be a satisfactory solution of the Schrödinger equation so long as the constant ##\alpha## is suitably chosen. Determine the unique expression for ##\alpha## in terms of m , e and other fundamental constants. Note that C is a normalisation constant.

Homework Equations


TISE

The Attempt at a Solution


For a) I am unsure to what the potential actually is and for c) I took the second derivative of u(x) and substituted it into the Schrödinger equation but it was more of a stab in the dark then anything else. I also thought about using boundary conditions to find an equation for ##\alpha## but given that my only boundary condition is 0, I've not managed to figure out a way of finding anything meaningful from doing this.

Note on proper LaTeX use: never write ##exp(-\alpha x)##: it looks ugly and can lead to ambiguities. Write, instead, ##\exp(-\alpha x)##, which looks much better and is unambiguous. You do that by writing "\exp" instead of "exp". The same holds for sin, cos, tan, ln, log, max. min, lim, etc.---all the standard functions. You get ##\sin##, ##\cos##, ##\tan##, ##\ln##, ##\log##, ##\max##, ##\min##, ##\lim## instead of ##sin##, ##cos##, ##tan##, ##ln##, ##log##, ##max##, ##min##, ##lim##, etc.

Also, you do not need to say "exp(\text{-} \alpha x)"; LaTeX is smart enough and powerful enough to know how to parse the much simpler "\exp(-\alpha x)". The "\text{-}" plays no role here, so is a waste of your time and resources.
 
Ray Vickson said:
Note on proper LaTeX use: never write ##exp(-\alpha x)##: it looks ugly and can lead to ambiguities. Write, instead, ##\exp(-\alpha x)##, which looks much better and is unambiguous. You do that by writing "\exp" instead of "exp". The same holds for sin, cos, tan, ln, log, max. min, lim, etc.---all the standard functions. You get ##\sin##, ##\cos##, ##\tan##, ##\ln##, ##\log##, ##\max##, ##\min##, ##\lim## instead of ##sin##, ##cos##, ##tan##, ##ln##, ##log##, ##max##, ##min##, ##lim##, etc.

Also, you do not need to say "exp(\text{-} \alpha x)"; LaTeX is smart enough and powerful enough to know how to parse the much simpler "\exp(-\alpha x)". The "\text{-}" plays no role here, so is a waste of your time and resources.
Thank you for the advice, I've never used LaTex before and I used the text on the minus sign because I preferred the shorter length.
 
blue_leaf77 said:
There should be a negative sign in the potential, otherwise ##\alpha## will be negative and the wavefunction won't be normalizable.
Yes, sorry, I missed the minus sign
 
Darrenm95 said:
For a) I am unsure to what the potential actually is and for c) I took the second derivative of u(x) and substituted it into the Schrödinger equation but it was more of a stab in the dark then anything else. I also thought about using boundary conditions to find an equation for ##\alpha## but given that my only boundary condition is 0, I've not managed to figure out a way of finding anything meaningful from doing this.
(a) I concur with the others here - the potential is the coulomb potential - with a hard surface at x=0, or you can think of x as a radial distance.
Later in your education you will be solving the SE with this sort of thing as a radiual component - right now your prof seems to want you to have some experience with the math so it's quite artificial.

(c) You are on to a good start - after substituting, just use ordinary algebra to solve for alpha.
 

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