I need a bit of direction....thermodynamics & kilns

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The discussion focuses on building a heat treating oven or kiln, emphasizing the need for equations to assist in sizing and insulation. The user has information on sizing heating elements based on available power and heat transfer through walls but seeks equations to estimate heating times for objects within the oven. Key recommendations include using a baseline of at least 5000 W per cubic foot for power requirements and considering commercially available units for design inspiration.

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  • Understanding of heat transfer principles
  • Knowledge of electrical power calculations
  • Familiarity with insulation materials and their thermal properties
  • Basic thermodynamics concepts related to heating and cooling
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  • Research equations for estimating heating times based on power and insulation
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I'm trying to build a heat treating oven/kiln and I'm having a difficult time identifying equations to assist in sizing and insulation.

I have info on sizing a heating element based on available power and I have and equation to quantify heat transfer through the walls and insulation but I'm having a hard time finding equations that i can use to estimate time to heat and object in the oven with available power and insulation.

I need to be able to change variables (insulation, heating element, chamber size etc. ) in a equation (or equations) so i can have the best design possible before I start purchasing materials.

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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Wilson Bailey said:
I'm trying to build a heat treating oven/kiln and I'm having a difficult time identifying equations to assist in sizing and insulation.

I have info on sizing a heating element based on available power and I have and equation to quantify heat transfer through the walls and insulation but I'm having a hard time finding equations that i can use to estimate time to heat and object in the oven with available power and insulation.

I need to be able to change variables (insulation, heating element, chamber size etc. ) in a equation (or equations) so i can have the best design possible before I start purchasing materials.

Thanks in advance for any help.
Welcome to the PF.:smile:

Can you just look at the commercially-available units to get an idea of the powers, temperatures and volumes that are typical? Then just choose your design parameters based on those standard designs? Is there something special that you need from your kiln that is not available in a standard size unit?
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF.:smile:

Can you just look at the commercially-available units to get an idea of the powers, temperatures and volumes that are typical? Then just choose your design parameters based on those standard designs? Is there something special that you need from your kiln that is not available in a standard size unit?
Thanks!

I don't need anything "special" except for something affordable; commercial units are more than i can justify spending on a hobby. I have seen a recommendation of at least 5000 W per Cu Ft. I can probably just use that.

My only other question would be:

Will heat continue to accumulate in a given space if the heat in is greater than the heat out?

Thanks again!
 

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