I think I may have found a renewable energy source

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around a proposed idea for a renewable energy source involving a cycle of pressurized air, a turbine, a generator, a battery, and a motor. Participants explore the feasibility of this concept, focusing on energy conservation and the efficiency of the proposed system.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a system where pressurized air drives a turbine connected to a generator, which charges a battery that powers a motor to repressurize the air tank.
  • Another participant asserts that the concept violates the conservation of energy principle, suggesting that the system cannot work as proposed.
  • A different participant emphasizes the need for calculations to assess energy and power at each step of the process, arguing that the numbers presented do not support the feasibility of the idea.
  • Concerns are raised about the energy balance, specifically that the generator's output cannot exceed the input from the motor, which is significantly lower than the generator's requirements when accounting for losses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the feasibility of the proposed energy cycle, with some asserting it cannot work due to fundamental physical principles while others attempt to defend the concept without reaching consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of energy calculations and the implications of losses in the system, indicating that assumptions about energy output and input are critical to the discussion.

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Hello guys so I have this idea of mine which I can't get my head around and I need someone to tell me why it won't work, so let's say you have a fully pressurised tank of air and you blow that pressurised air at a turbine connected to a generator, ovisously the generator will then start to create a voltage and when connected to a battery it will charge it, what if you then use that charge from the battery to spin a motor that spins a piston which then repressurises the tank and it creates a cycle again, and also the pressurised air tank at this point is still got some of it's original pressurised air left inside and it won't get used up so fast, think how long it would take to empty a full can of deodorant, also the generator is a 3000w genarator spinning at 2000RPM and the motor is only 200w also spinning at 2000RPM, and even if you include all the losses such at heat, mechanical movement on friction and even sound, then the generator could be outputting let's say 2500w and that's still enough power there to supply the motor, you know what I mean, thank you guys and I hope someone can help me out here, thank you.
 
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Do the calculations and conclude that it doesn't work. You can't lift yourself off the ground by grabbing your hair.
 
Jamie123 said:
Hello guys so I have this idea of mine which I can't get my head around and I need someone to tell me why it won't work

Violation of conservation of energy. It won't work.

Jamie123 said:
what if you then use that charge from the battery to spin a motor that spins a piston which then repressurises the tank and it creates a cycle again, and also the pressurised air tank at this point is still got some of it's original pressurised air left inside and it won't get used up so fast, think how long it would take to empty a full can of deodorant, also the generator is a 3000w genarator spinning at 2000RPM and the motor is only 200w also spinning at 2000RPM

You cannot simply throw numbers around. You need to do the math to calculate the energy or power in each step of the process and see what you have available for the next step.

Jamie123 said:
even if you include all the losses such at heat, mechanical movement on friction and even sound, then the generator could be outputting let's say 2500w and that's still enough power there to supply the motor

It is not.

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I know the thread is already locked, but i'll be more specific about where you went wrong:
Jamie123 said:
...the generator is a 3000w genarator spinning at 2000RPM and the motor is only 200w also spinning at 2000RPM, and even if you include all the losses such at heat, mechanical movement on friction and even sound, then the generator could be outputting let's say 2500w and that's still enough power there to supply the motor...
RPM is totally meaningless here. What you are missing in your energy balance accounting is the very electrical energy you are using and producing! 500W of friction and other losses means the generator requires 3500W of mechanical power to turn it. Quite obviously, a 200W motor does not produce 3500W of mechanical power.
 
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