I think I understand, but where do you find force?

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The problem involves finding the coefficient of kinetic friction required to stop a train engine with a mass of 10,000 kg, initially traveling at 30 m/s, over a period of 30 seconds. The discussion centers around the forces acting on the train and the calculations needed to determine the friction involved in stopping it.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to find the acceleration of the train to understand the forces involved. Questions arise about the nature of the forces acting on the train, particularly whether gravity or velocity plays a role in the stopping force.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have suggested using kinematic equations to find acceleration, while others express confusion about the forces at play. Guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between friction and the stopping force, but no consensus has been reached on the specifics of the calculations.

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Participants note that the problem does not explicitly state certain values, such as acceleration, leading to confusion. There is also mention of the assumption that air resistance can be neglected in this context.

  • #31
Laura0901 said:
I got one by using v=at
Well what did you get?
 
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  • #32
I used F=ma so: F=(10,000kg)(1)= 10,000
 
  • #33
Which I think is definitely wrong! I don't see how to use acceleration in the equation F=Mmg..
 
  • #34
Laura0901 said:
I used F=ma so: F=(10,000kg)(1)= 10,000
Why is that wrong? (Except of course you left the units off.) 10,000 N

Now use you "friction" equation: Ff = μN = μmg.
 
  • #35
10,000 N is the force?
 
  • #36
I used that friction formula to get:
10000=M(10000)(9.8)
 
  • #37
Laura0901 said:
10,000 N is the force?
That's the force required to stop a 10,000kg train in 30 seconds if it was traveling at 30 m/sec. Friction is the force that's employed to stop the train.
 
  • #38
which equaled to .1020408163
 
  • #39
Which doesn't have units because it's a coefficient
 
  • #40
Laura0901 said:
which equaled to .1020408163
That seems reasonable.

In the future, try to use the "reply" feature to respond to a particular post.
 
  • #41
Sorry. I'm using the web version on a device. I think I am using the Reply now!
 
  • #42
Wait no I'm not. Well thank you SO MUCH for helping. You're amazing. Thanks for staying around and helping me even though I didn't understand at all
 
  • #43
No problem. Glad you understand
 
  • #44
Do you mind checking out my other question about checking my answers? If not it's okay.
 
  • #45
Sure I have plenty of time
 
  • #46
Thank you!
 
  • #47
Wait where's your other question?
 
  • #48
They deleted my question! Ugh! But it is okay. I got help from my teacher lol thanks anyways! :)
 

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