ICAL THEORY: Global Warming & Its Impact

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the theory of global warming, exploring its causes, effects, and the complexities involved. Participants examine both natural and human-induced factors contributing to climate change, including the role of greenhouse gases and water vapor. The conversation touches on theoretical implications and potential environmental consequences.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant speculates that increased moisture in a warming atmosphere could lead to more clouds, which might reflect sunlight and reduce temperatures, but acknowledges the complexity of weather systems.
  • Another participant suggests that permanent fog could trap heat more effectively, challenging the previous point.
  • Some participants differentiate between natural and human-induced global warming, noting that water vapor, carbon dioxide, and methane are significant contributors, primarily from natural processes.
  • A later reply indicates that chlorofluorocarbons block certain radiation frequencies, complicating efforts to manage natural greenhouse gas emissions.
  • One participant expresses a realization of flaws in their understanding of global chemistry after researching the topic, indicating a shift in perspective.
  • Another participant shares a link to a debate overview, expressing frustration with what they perceive as scaremongering related to climate change.
  • A participant cites a physics textbook claiming that the increase in atmospheric CO2 levels is primarily due to human activity, supported by various scientific measurements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the causes and implications of global warming, with no clear consensus reached. Some support the idea of human responsibility for CO2 increases, while others question the narrative surrounding climate change.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of climate systems and the limitations of their understanding, with some recognizing the need for further research and clarification on the interactions between different greenhouse gases.

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Global warming theory
It is being observed that the earth’s atmosphere is warming up and it is speculated that carbon emissions are the cause. Since the atmosphere is getting warmer it will contain more moisture due to additional evaporation and warmer air holds more moisture than cold air. This should lead to an increase in clouds, which in turn would reflect more of the sun’s energy out into outer space, which in turn would cause the average temperature of the planet to drop.

Could it be this simple? Probably not. Weather systems are very complex and contain a lot of variables. Furthermore meteorologist run these things through supercomputers so one would think this would have been discovered already but I sure would like an expert opinion on this.

Even if this simple theory did pan out to be true it wouldn’t mean we were off the hook. Excessive moisture in the air may leads to more flooding and heavier snowfalls and may cause havoc on the world’s ecosystems.
RAD
 
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Permanent fog would probably keep heat in much better.
 
Let's first separate global warming resulting from natural process from the global warming as a result of human intervention.

Note that the substances that contributes the most to global warming is water, carbon dioxide and methane. These are mostly the result from natural processes (the exception being carbon dioxide to some extent). They cover each sections of frequencies of electromagnetic radiation, where they absorb the outgoing radiation, preventing it from leaving earth.

Between them is a band where outgoing radiation is not absorbed. However, with the increased release of chlorofluorocarbons, they block this important window, hence resulting in a type of greenhouse1.

As a result, it proves rather useless to try and control water evaporation or natural methane leakage, but to focus on things that can actually be changed.

1 Salters' Advanced Chemistry: Chemical Storylines by George Burton[/size]
 
Moridin said:
Let's first separate global warming resulting from natural process from the global warming as a result of human intervention.

Note that the substances that contributes the most to global warming is water, carbon dioxide and methane. These are mostly the result from natural processes (the exception being carbon dioxide to some extent). They cover each sections of frequencies of electromagnetic radiation, where they absorb the outgoing radiation, preventing it from leaving earth.

Between them is a band where outgoing radiation is not absorbed. However, with the increased release of chlorofluorocarbons, they block this important window, hence resulting in a type of greenhouse1.

As a result, it proves rather useless to try and control water evaporation or natural methane leakage, but to focus on things that can actually be changed.

1 Salters' Advanced Chemistry: Chemical Storylines by George Burton[/size]

I did a little research on the intenet and it didn't take me long to find that you are correct and my theory has major flaws in it. Basicall it is ignorance of global chemistry. So much for me saving the world. Thanks RAD
 
http://www.nerc.ac.uk/about/consult/debate/debate.aspx?did=1&pg=1&f=

A certainly far from complete overview here.

It's way beyond me, why people need to engage in a cumulative positive feedback loop of scaremongering and desire of to be feared. A new pinnacle of that process here:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/366440609/266503

Getting tired of this ghost hunt of hot air.
 
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Below a quote from a Physics Text book, claiming that human caused carbon-dioxide levels are proven

It is known that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere between 1800 and 2005 has increased from 280 to 380 parts per million. It is known without doubt that this increase is due to human burning of fossil fuels, and not to natural sources such as the oceans or volcanoes. Here are three arguments. First of all, there was a parallel decline of the 14C/12C ratio. Second, there was a parallel decline of the 13C/12C ratio. Finally, there was a parallel decline of the oxygen concentration. All three measurements independently imply that the CO2 increase is due to the burning of fuels, which are low in 14C and in 13C, and at the same time decrease the oxygen ratio.
Natural sources do not have these three effects. Since CO2 is a major greenhouse gas, the data implies that humans are also responsible for a large part of the temperature increase during the same period.


From: http://www.motionmountain.net/index.html
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