Ideal gas law mechanical work problem

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the mechanical work done by a gas on its environment during a thermodynamic process, specifically using the ideal gas law. The problem involves integrating pressure as a function of volume over a specified range.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the integration of pressure as a function of volume and question the accuracy of their calculations. They discuss the derivation of pressure values and the implications of unit conversions on their results.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with each other's calculations and reasoning. Some have identified potential errors in the integration process and are seeking clarification on the assumptions made regarding pressure and volume conversions. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a specific thermodynamic process path and the need to clarify the gradient of the pressure function. Participants are also considering the implications of using different units (liters vs. cubic meters) in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


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Calculate the gas' mechanical work on its environment for the thermodynamic process path IF.

Solution says: 505 J


Homework Equations



W=\int_i^f p,dv

i = Vi, initial volume
f = Vf, final volume


The Attempt at a Solution



My approach is to find a function for p(v) between 2 and 4 liters.

p(v) = 709275 - \frac{3}{2} * 101325 V (Pa)

And then integrate it from 2 to 4 liters, which is 0.002m3 to 0.004m3

Problem is, I get:
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Which is way off. I should get 505 J..

I'm stumped. What am I doing wrong?
 
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where did you get your 709275 number?

Anyway, I make it about 306 J.
 
Oh, I should have stated that. I extended the IF line to where it intersects with the Y-axis, which is 7 atm.

7 * 101325 Pa = 709275 Pa.

You got 306 J... it should be 505, unless the document is wrong.
 
DrOnline said:
Oh, I should have stated that. I extended the IF line to where it intersects with the Y-axis, which is 7 atm.

7 * 101325 Pa = 709275 Pa.

You got 306 J... it should be 505, unless the document is wrong.

The first time I just calculated area = 1/2 bh and got 306.

This time I did the integration and got ~ 518. And I found your mistake - in your 2nd term under the integral you divided by 2 instead of 0.002.

Still don't know why 1/2 bh didn't work! :frown:
 
Thank you for your help. Gonna ask the professor about it, he made the task after all.

The second term is -(3*2) because that is the gradient of the curve. That should be correct.
 
DrOnline said:
Thank you for your help. Gonna ask the professor about it, he made the task after all.

The second term is -(3*2) because that is the gradient of the curve. That should be correct.

It's not correct. The second term should be -(3/2) * 101,325/0.001 V.
I wouldn't go to your professor 'till we agree on this.
 
rude man said:
It's not correct. The second term should be -(3/2) * 101,325/0.001 V.
I wouldn't go to your professor 'till we agree on this.

My God, that seemed to do the trick.

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This seems right to me.

I gather since I converted from atm to Pa, and integrated using m3 instead of liters, I also should have taken that into account for the gradient.

Is that assessment correct?
 
DrOnline said:
My God, that seemed to do the trick.

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This seems right to me.

I gather since I converted from atm to Pa, and integrated using m3 instead of liters, I also should have taken that into account for the gradient.

Is that assessment correct?

That assessment is fully correct! :smile:
 
Thank you very much!
 

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