IEEE: 25 Microchips that Shook the World

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The discussion revolves around an article from IEEE Spectrum titled "25 Microchips that Shook the World," which lists significant microchips and their impact on technology. Participants express their opinions on which chips should be included or excluded from the list, reflecting on the historical significance and technological advancements associated with various microchips.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants believe the 7400 series should be included in the main list rather than just the Runners-Up.
  • There is a nostalgic comparison between past technologies, such as steam trains, and modern microchips, with some humor about the nature of nostalgia.
  • One participant argues against the inclusion of the Sparc processor, suggesting its significance was more about the overall design of Sun machines rather than the chip itself.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of including RISC processors, specifically mentioning the DEC Alpha, while also noting its lack of widespread impact due to corporate changes.
  • Concerns are raised about the Cell Processor's inclusion, with arguments that its limitations prevent it from being a game-changing invention.
  • Participants discuss the impact of the Micronas MP3 chip, questioning its revolutionary status while acknowledging the widespread use of MP3 players.
  • There is a debate about the transformative effect of MP3 technology on the music industry, with some arguing it fundamentally changed music access and distribution.
  • One participant highlights the shift in thinking regarding audio formats brought about by MP3 technology, contrasting it with earlier formats like CDs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding which microchips should be considered game-changers, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the final list of significant microchips.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the significance of certain microchips depend on subjective interpretations of "game-changing" and may vary based on personal experiences or technological perspectives.

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Found via a Slashdot posting, an article in IEEE Spectrum, 25 Microchips that Shook the World:
http://spectrum.ieee.org/print/8747

I thought the 7400 (or the whole 74xx series) deserved to be on there, but it did make the Runners-Up list:
http://spectrum.ieee.org/may09/8814/

Other articles in the 25 Microchips that Shook the World special:
http://spectrum.ieee.org/25chips
 
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Our parents and grandparents got nostalgic over steam trains and sailing ships, we get nostalgia over memory chips !
Even nostalgia isn't what it used to be ...
 
mgb_phys said:
Our parents and grandparents got nostalgic over steam trains and sailing ships, we get nostalgia over memory chips !
Even nostalgia isn't what it used to be ...
I wouldn't say that. :biggrin:
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MATLABdude said:
Found via a Slashdot posting, an article in IEEE Spectrum, 25 Microchips that Shook the World:
http://spectrum.ieee.org/print/8747

I thought the 7400 (or the whole 74xx series) deserved to be on there, but it did make the Runners-Up list:
http://spectrum.ieee.org/may09/8814/
Good point, 2nd that.

Overall great selection by Spectrum. Right away I thought of the z80, the 808x, and the original Mac's 68000. I disagree w/ putting the Sparc in the top 25. The world shaking aspect of those early Sun machines was over all design of the box and Sun's Unix version. They would have also done well on Motorola or Intel CPUs. Also, I'd leave the Cell Processor off even the honorable mentions. It is a heck of CPU for pure number crunching, but it has too many draw backs for the wide acceptance required to get on 'shook the world' list.
 
mheslep said:
I disagree w/ putting the Sparc in the top 25. The world shaking aspect of those early Sun machines was over all design of the box and Sun's Unix version.
You have to include a RISC processor, the DEC Alpha was probably bang/buck/watt more revolutionary but died of HP takeover.

Also, I'd leave the Cell Processor off even the honorable mentions. It is a heck of CPU for pure number crunching, but it has too many draw backs for the wide acceptance required to get on 'shook the world' list.
The list is about game-changing inventions, $10 GPUs that are more powerful than supercomputers are going to have an effect.
 
I'm not sure if the Micronas MP3 chip was that big of a game changer, but you can't argue with the near-ubiquity of iPods and other MP3 players today. Then again, people had CD players before then, and before that, Walkmans, and before that, Boomboxes and transistor radios. And I guess way before then, they had guitars (or lutes).

If anything, the huge amounts of data that you can now tote around on your keychain probably owes more to flash memory. Very few of them have the ability to decode and play MP3s though.
 
mgb_phys said:
You have to include a RISC processor, the DEC Alpha was probably bang/buck/watt more revolutionary but died of HP takeover.
The Alpha was novel and powerful but it had zilch for world impact.
The list is about game-changing inventions, $10 GPUs that are more powerful than supercomputers are going to have an effect.
Yeah I'd put Nvidia GPUs on there as game changers.
 
MATLABdude said:
I'm not sure if the Micronas MP3 chip was that big of a game changer, but you can't argue with the near-ubiquity of iPods and other MP3 players today. Then again, people had CD players before then, and before that, Walkmans, and before that, Boomboxes and transistor radios. And I guess way before then, they had guitars (or lutes)...
Yes but none of those fundamentally changed the music industry. MP3 did, by allowing immediately access to new music and the ability to take a huge collection with you where ever you roam.
 
mheslep said:
Yes but none of those fundamentally changed the music industry. MP3 did, by allowing immediately access to new music and the ability to take a huge collection with you where ever you roam.

And ease of distribution, and force the examination of the delineation between human tendencies to share, and the need to reward the artists to keep the music going (so to speak). Okay, maybe it's more like rewarding the recording companies, and having the royalties trickle down to the artists.
 
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MATLABdude said:
I'm not sure if the Micronas MP3 chip was that big of a game changer,
The important thing about the MP3 player was that it changed the thinking on formats.
CDs (and to an extent DVD) use a very simple encoding because the assumption was that you couldn't have complex algorithms in the decoder because you want to sell millions of them and it's too expensive to build anything powerful using general purpose CPUs

The MP3 chips said, build the best compression system you can, don't worry about the cost of decoding - the market will produce custom chips that make it cheaper than you can imagine.
 

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