If electricity is flow of electrons and also positive and negative

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of electricity, specifically addressing the flow of electrons and the necessity of a conducting medium for electricity to travel. Participants explore concepts related to electron movement in vacuums versus conducting materials, and the implications of these differences on the understanding of electric charge.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that while electrons can travel through a vacuum, a force is required to maintain their flow over long distances.
  • One participant mentions that charged particles, including electrons, can indeed travel through vacuum, citing examples from cathode ray tubes and X-ray tubes.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for a conducting medium, explaining that without it, electrons cannot flow effectively, as a vacuum lacks free electrons to facilitate this flow.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between "electricity" as a vague term and "electric charge," with some participants expressing uncertainty about the precise nature of electric charge.
  • One participant describes the difference in electron behavior in a vacuum versus a conducting medium, suggesting that in a vacuum, electrons can achieve high velocities, but in a conductor, they move more slowly due to collisions.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of understanding both "Electron Flow" and "Conventional Current Flow" for practical applications in electronics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of a conducting medium for electricity to travel. While some argue that a conducting medium is essential, others point out that electrons can travel through a vacuum under certain conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of terms like "electricity" and "electric charge," as well as the conditions under which electrons can travel in a vacuum versus a conducting medium. These aspects are not fully explored or agreed upon.

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if electricity is flow of electrons and also positive and negative charges attract
then why electricity needs a conducting medium.
electrons has mass and it should just travel through vaccum
then why in vacuum electricity cann't travel


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Charged particles can travel through vacuum.Examples include electrons traveling in cathode ray tubes and X- ray tubes.
 


Electricity is made up of a flow of electrons and electrons can flow across a vacuum. The main problem with this over a long distance is that you need a force to get the electrons to travel across the vacuum.

Old CRT achieved this by heating the cathode and then due to thermionic emission the electrons had enough energy to leave the cathode then an electric field is used to accelerate and direct the electrons towards the screen.

However in a vacuum with a small enough separation distance between the electrodes the potential difference should be enough to cause the electrons to flow.
 


"Electricity" is a vague term. Probably it usually means electric charge.

I'm not sure i know what electric charge really is, exactly.

Electrons carry charge and roughly 6E18 of them carry one coulomb.


In a vacuum electrons can achieve substantial velocity.
But in a conducting medium they just bump along like people on an escalator, or like marbles in a tube.
The time delay between an electron entering near end and another exiting far end is very short, comparable to speed of light along the path. But the individual electrons move very slowly.
It's the force between them that propagates fast.

SO - train your mind to think of "charge" as something that transports energy around in a circuit,
propelled by the Electro-Motive-Force (EMF, abbreviated to E) that's encouraging charge carriers(usually electrons) to pass on their energy to the next one in line... It will save you a major readjustment of thinking later on.

You need to become fluent in both so-called "Electron Flow" and "Conventional Current Flow" because outside academia you will encounter folks who've been trained in both methods of circuit analysis. The two are completely equivalent and give the exact same Kirchoff equations.

Just remain aware that there's another world beyond circuit analysis . The simple model we use of positive or negative charged particles [STRIKE]migrating[/STRIKE] passing energy around a circuit is not the whole picture. But it will carry you a long way in your studies. And it will allow you to become competent in electronics.

I wish my maths were good enough to explain Maxwell's equations.
Let me be a little more honest here - i wish i even understood them.

Anyhow here's an interesting and not-too-techincal musing on the subject.
http://amasci.com/elect/charge1.html

old jim
 
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While it is true that electricity is the flow of electrons and that positive and negative charges attract, it is important to understand that this flow of electrons needs a medium to travel through in order to be useful. This medium is known as a conducting medium, which can be a solid, liquid, or gas that contains free electrons that can move and carry the electrical charge. Without a conducting medium, the electrons would not be able to flow and the electricity would not be able to travel.

Additionally, while electrons do have mass and can travel through a vacuum, it is important to note that a vacuum is a space that does not contain any matter, including free electrons. This means that there is no conducting medium for the electrons to flow through, making it impossible for electricity to travel in a vacuum.

In summary, while electricity is the flow of electrons and positive and negative charges do attract, a conducting medium is necessary for this flow to occur and for electricity to be useful. And although electrons can travel through a vacuum, it is not possible for electricity to travel in a vacuum due to the absence of a conducting medium.
 

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