If String Theory explains/ leads to gravity, how does it not make predictions?

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The discussion revolves around the predictive capabilities of String Theory, particularly in relation to gravity and its implications for quantum gravity, black holes, and singularities. Participants explore whether String Theory can make testable predictions or if it primarily offers explanations without empirical testability.

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  • Some participants argue that String Theory predicts gravity and can explain small structures, questioning why it does not make observable predictions in extreme conditions like black holes.
  • Others suggest that while String Theory may eventually lead to predictions, it is not currently at a stage where it can reliably predict specific outcomes, emphasizing the need for postdictions of established theories like particle physics and general relativity first.
  • One participant raises concerns about the landscape problem in String Theory, suggesting that it complicates the theory's ability to make predictions, particularly regarding gravitational interactions and the conditions under which perturbative string theory operates.
  • Another point made is that some predictions derived from String Theory are actually post-dictions rather than true predictions, highlighting the limitations in its applicability to the Standard Model and its extensions.
  • Concerns are expressed about the low-energy sector of String Theory, where solutions appear to be fine-tuned to match known theories, potentially obscuring the fundamental behavior of elementary particles.

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Participants express a range of views on the predictive power of String Theory, with no consensus reached. Some believe it has potential for future predictions, while others emphasize its current limitations and the challenges posed by the landscape problem.

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Limitations include unresolved mathematical steps regarding the applicability of String Theory to gravity, the dependence on specific definitions of predictions versus postdictions, and the conditions under which perturbative string theory is valid.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring theoretical physics, particularly in the context of String Theory, quantum gravity, and the interplay between established physical theories and emerging frameworks.

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If String Theory explains/"leads to gravity, how does it not make predictions?

String Theory "predicts" gravity. It can explain gravity and it explains "small" structures.
If String Theory includes these two topics shouldn't it predict what happens when Quantum Gravity becomes non-negligible.
So how is it not testable/observable in black holes, singularities or similar situations?
 
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String theory may be able to make predictions - however, it is not (yet?) at a point where you can "just apply string theory and predict reaction X". The first step would be a postdiction of particle physics and general relativity. At some point in the future, it might be possible to understand black holes with string theory - this could give testable predictions or at least explain the observations.
However, I would not expect this within the next years...
 


The reason string theory doesn't make explanations is do with the lanscape isn't it??

Also bit of a warning on the matter of string theory predicting gravity...there are a couple of reasons for believing this

i) Adding up the effects of lots of gravitational interactions between grav waves leads to G.R

2) for quantum strings to proagate consistently the Einstein equations should be fullfilled. Objection of i) first off some people don't like the idea that gravitation waves can come together and form a black hole say...some people claim the whole argument doesn't work (Padmanabhan).

Secondly, although string theory might require the Einsteins equations hold, perturbative string theory only works when the spacetime is stationary: worldsheet supersymetry when combined with the GSO projection leads to spacetime-supersymmetry, but this requires a timelike killing vector field, i.e. the spacetimeis statiotnary.

In actual fact pertpurbative string theory only works for a zero measure subset of solutions of Einstein's equations...so don't get too carried away about the connection between strings and GR.
 


There are several problems with "predictions" derived from string theory.

1) some of them - like gravity - are post-dictions
[it would be wrong to say that QCD predicts the existence of the strong interaction; it explains how it can be modeled, but it does not predict it]

2) it suffers from the landscape problem, so it does not predict the standad model or some of its SUSY- or SUGRA-extensions
[it is wrong to say that gauge theory predicts QCD; gauge theory allows for QCD but this is only one possibility; gauge theory allows for a world w/o unbroken SU(3) gauge invariance as well]

These are two examples why string theory does not make predictions "which are experimentally testable in principle". In addition string theory seems to make no predictions which are testable in practice b/c in the low-energy sector (which is experimentally accessable) string theory solutions are tuned in the sense of 2) to fit to well-known low-energy theories whereas the true stringy behavior of elementary particles is by construction not visible in the low-energy regime.
 
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