If the electrons are small tiny dipoles, how do then they refuse?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of electrons, specifically whether they can be considered as small dipoles and the implications of such a characterization. Participants explore concepts related to electric and magnetic dipole moments, intrinsic properties of electrons, and the interactions between them.

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  • One participant questions how electrons, if considered as dipoles, would interact with each other, specifically regarding attraction between opposite charges.
  • Another participant clarifies that electrons are not dipoles and suggests that the dipole moment is an intrinsic property related to spin, not due to two charges at a fixed distance.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that while electrons do not have an electric dipole moment, they possess a magnetic dipole moment due to their spin.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the terminology and seek clarification on the concept of dipoles in relation to electrons.

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Participants generally disagree on the characterization of electrons as dipoles. While some assert that electrons are not dipoles, others explore the implications of such a characterization, leading to an unresolved discussion.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of dipoles and the intrinsic properties of electrons, as well as the assumptions made about their interactions.

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If the electrons are small tiny dipoles, how do then they refuse them selfs? Thanks. I appreciate your help.
 
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I'm not sure I understand your terminology. Electrons are not dipoles by themselves, unless you are referring to something other than an electric dipole. Could you please clarify, and provide a web pointer to what you are asking about?
 
stmartin said:
If the electrons are small tiny dipoles, how do then they refuse them selfs? Thanks. I appreciate your help.

I think what you are asking is something like, "If I imagine that the electron's dipole moment is produced by two opposite charges some small distance apart then what holds the two charges at that fixed small distance apart?"

Well, the electron's dipole moment is *not* produced by two small charges a fixed small distance apart. It is an intrinsic property of the electron itself proportional to its spin.
 
stmartin said:
If the electrons are small tiny dipoles, how do then they refuse them selfs? Thanks. I appreciate your help.
I think he means that if the electrons are dipoles (one positive end and one negative end), then why doesn't the positive end of the dipole attract to the negative end of another electron.

Your assumption is wrong. Electrons are not dipoles.
 
Ok, thank you very much.
 
electronic confusion

The electron is a single point charge, and so does not have an electric dipole moment. However it does have a magnetic dipole moment - that is it does act like a little magnet in addition to its charge. This is related to its spin. Look up gyromagnetic ratios and g- factors.
 

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