If there is really a potential drop across resistors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of capacitors in RC circuits, particularly focusing on why capacitors can receive the full electromotive force (emf) from a DC source despite the presence of resistors, which are typically associated with potential drops. Participants explore the relationship between voltage, current, and charge in these circuits.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why capacitors receive the full emf in a circuit with resistors, suggesting that potential is "lost" across the resistors.
  • One participant explains that the voltage across the capacitor equals the applied voltage when it is fully charged, as no current flows at that point.
  • Another participant describes the capacitor as initially having zero resistance, leading to a potential drop across the resistors until the capacitor charges and behaves like a resistor with infinite resistance.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between current (I), resistance (R), and voltage drop (IR) across resistors, noting that when the capacitor is fully charged, the current is zero, resulting in no voltage drop across the resistors.
  • One participant emphasizes that the voltage drop across the capacitor is determined by the charge (Q) and capacitance (C), reinforcing the idea that the sum of voltage gains and drops in the circuit must equal zero.
  • Another participant states that capacitors behave like open circuits to DC, which implies no current and thus no voltage drop across the resistor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the behavior of capacitors in relation to resistors in RC circuits. While some explanations are offered, there is no clear consensus on the underlying reasons for the observed behavior.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about circuit behavior and the definitions of voltage, current, and resistance, which may not be universally agreed upon. The mathematical relationships presented are not fully resolved, and the implications of these relationships are still under exploration.

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How come capacitors receive the full emf In a circuit with a resistor in it? I plugged in 100000 into -t in the rc transient and it gives me the emf. Why? I thought you actually "lost" potential through resistors?
 
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jaredvert said:
How come capacitors receive the full emf? I plugged in 100000 into -t in the rc transient and it gives me the emf. Why? I thought you actually "lost" potential through resistors?

If you are asking why (in a circuit consisting of a DC source and capacitor) the voltage across the capacitor is the full voltage of the DC source, the answer is: because the capacitor is fully charged. V = Q/C. Once the voltage across the capacitor is equal and opposite to the applied voltage, no current flows.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
If you are asking why (in a circuit consisting of a DC source and capacitor) the voltage across the capacitor is the full voltage of the DC source, the answer is: because the capacitor is fully charged. V = Q/C. Once the voltage across the capacitor is equal and opposite to the applied voltage, no current flows.
AM
I'm sorry I thought I implied that this was an rc circuit and since there is a potential drop across resistors, I am asking why a capacitor would receive the full emf without losing any voltage to the resistors
 
For this DC circuit you can consider the capacitor to be a variable resistor. Initially there is zero resistance and only the resistors have potential drop across them. But, as the capacitor charges the buildup of charges acts like an increase in resistance and gradually the voltage drop across the capacitor increases. Once the capacitor is fully charged it acts like a resistor with infinite resistance, which means that all of the voltage drop is across the capacitor and none of it is across the resistor.

Try this. Draw a simple circuit with two resistors, R1 and R2, and a battery applying 10 volts. R1 has a resistance of 100 ohms. R2 initially has a resistance of 0 ohms. Find the voltage drop across each resistor. Then increase R2 to 100 ohms, 1000 ohms, and 100,000 ohms and find the voltage drop across each resistor. You will find that the voltage drop across R2 starts at 0 and increases to nearly 12 volts. The capacitor acts in a similar manner.
 
jaredvert said:
I'm sorry I thought I implied that this was an rc circuit and since there is a potential drop across resistors, I am asking why a capacitor would receive the full emf without losing any voltage to the resistors
The voltage drop across the resistor is IR. If I=0, which occurs when the capacitor is fully charged, IR=0.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
The voltage drop across the resistor is IR. If I=0, which occurs when the capacitor is fully charged, IR=0.

AM

IR is the voltage drop only for the resistors, correct?
 
Drakkith said:
IR is the voltage drop only for the resistors, correct?

Correct. And the voltage drop across the capacitor is Q/C where Q is the charge on the capacitor at the moment.

Assuming this is a simple loop circuit with a battery, resistor and capacitor in series, as you go around the complete circuit the sum of the voltage gains and drops has to be zero at all times. If the battery voltage is E, then E - IR - Q/C = 0. E is constant. As the capacitor charges up, Q increases, so IR decreases. When the capacitor is fully charged, IR = 0 and E = Q/C (or Q = CE).
 
Capacitors behave like open circuits to DC. Therefore there is no current flowing (because of the open circuit capacitor). No current means no voltage drop across the resistor.
 

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