If W is a subset of V, then dim(W) ≤ dim(V)

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The discussion revolves around proving that for linear subspaces W and V, if W is a subset of V, then the dimension of W is less than or equal to the dimension of V. The participants are exploring the implications of this relationship in the context of linear algebra.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • One participant attempts to reason through a proof by contradiction, suggesting that if dim(W) were greater than dim(V), it would lead to a contradiction regarding the bases of the two spaces. Others question the efficiency of this approach and suggest extending the basis of W to form a basis of V.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some suggesting that extending the basis of W could provide insights into the relationship between the dimensions of W and V. There is a recognition of different approaches being considered, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants are discussing the implications of the definitions of dimension and basis in the context of linear subspaces. There is also mention of specific examples, such as the x-axis in R², to illustrate the concepts being explored.

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Homework Statement



I need to prove this:

W, V are linear subspaces
W is a subset of V

-----> dimension(W) ≤ dimension(V)

Homework Equations



dimension(X): # of linearly independent vectors in any basis of X

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm trying to think this through, but getting stalled.

Hmmmm...

Suppose dim(W) > dim(V). Given any basis of W and any basis of V, there will be some vector w* such that w* is contained in the basis of W but not in the basis of V.


... somehow I'm supposed to deduce a contradiction (if this is even the most efficient way to the conclusion).

Help?
 
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Hi Jamin2112! :smile:

Take a basis of W, can you extend this basis to form a basis of V??
 
micromass said:
Hi Jamin2112! :smile:

Take a basis of W, can you extend this basis to form a basis of V??

Are you talking about my supposition where dim(W)>dim(V)?
 
No, I'm not. I doubt that a proof by contradiction will be the most efficient route here :frown:
 
micromass said:
Hi Jamin2112! :smile:

Take a basis of W, can you extend this basis to form a basis of V??

If dim(W) = dim(V), yes;
if dim(W) < dim(V), no.
 
Can't we just use the fact that every element in W is in V??
 
micromass said:
Hi Jamin2112! :smile:

Take a basis of W, can you extend this basis to form a basis of V??

Jamin2112 said:
If dim(W) = dim(V), yes;
if dim(W) < dim(V), no.

Why not? The x-axis is a subset of [itex]R^2[/itex] and a vector space of dimension 1. It has {<1, 0>} as basis. Adding <0, 1> to that set gives {<1, 0>, <0, 1>}, extending the first basis to a basis of [itex]R^2[/itex].
 

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