If we were to absorb all the incident light falling upon us

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The discussion revolves around the effects of absorbing incident light on body temperature, exploring why humans do not experience significant temperature increases despite absorbing visible light. Participants delve into concepts of heat absorption, loss mechanisms, and comparisons with materials like metal.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if the human body absorbs all visible light, it would likely increase in temperature significantly.
  • Others argue that heat loss through convection and evaporation balances the heat absorbed from sunlight, preventing a substantial temperature rise.
  • A participant questions why metals heat up more than human bodies when exposed to sunlight, suggesting that the reflective properties of metals contribute to this perception.
  • Another participant explains that different animals, including humans, use various methods to regulate body temperature, such as sweating and seeking shade.
  • One participant provides a calculation indicating that a perfectly absorbing object would reach thermal equilibrium at around 360K when exposed to sunlight, highlighting the role of heat emission.
  • There is a discussion about the specific heat capacities of water and iron, noting that water's high specific heat capacity allows it to absorb heat without a significant temperature increase compared to metals.
  • Participants discuss the physiological responses of the human body to temperature changes, emphasizing the role of blood flow in temperature regulation.

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Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of heat absorption and regulation, with no clear consensus on the primary reasons for temperature differences between humans and metals. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of absorbing all incident light.

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Limitations include assumptions about body composition, environmental conditions, and the specific heat capacities of materials discussed. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of thermal equilibrium and heat transfer mechanisms.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring thermodynamics, heat transfer, and physiological responses to environmental conditions, particularly in the context of materials science and biology.

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We would most likely grow in temperature greatly correct? I know this sounds to basic but the answer would help me very much.

Because if our body absorbs all of the visible spectrum except the part it reflects, why don't we grow very high in temperature?
 
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We lose heat mostly via convection and evaporation so it balances out.
 
russ_watters said:
We lose heat mostly via convection and evaporation so it balances out.

I know, but then why does metal get much hotter left out than we do? I have a feeling its cause since it reflects so much of the incident radiation coming of it, we feel it through that.
 
Actually, various animals use different methods of maintaining body temperature. Humans use sweat, breath, clothing and shade (and, in modern times Air Conditioning ;-) ) to maintain body temperature.

There is slightly over 1kW of energy in 1m^2 of direct sunlight. If your mass is 100kg, and 80% of your body is water, it follows that you have 80 liters of water. 1kWh of heat energy will raise 80 liters of water ~10.75C. Depending on the ambient air temperature and relative humidity this heat may be lost or gained.

For instance if we have an 80 liter black bucket of water in direct sunlight: if it is -10C it will likely freeze solid even with the 1kWh heat input. If the air temp is 35C it may heat up to a few degrees above ambient if their is no wind. In general it is the ambient air temperature that affects changes in water temperature. This has a lot more to do with the properties of water and air than heat input by sunlight.

Water has a fairly high specific heat capacity, ~4.2J/gC while iron has a fairly low specific heat capacity ~0.44J/gC. This means that while 4.2 Joules of energy will only raise a gram of water 1C, the same 4.2 Joules will raise 1 gram of iron nearly 10C. In addition to this, iron is generally dark in color, meaning it absorbs more energy from sunlight than water which is a combination of reflective and translucent.

Hope that answers your question!

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LogicalAcid said:
We would most likely grow in temperature greatly correct? I know this sounds to basic but the answer would help me very much.

Because if our body absorbs all of the visible spectrum except the part it reflects, why don't we grow very high in temperature?

A perfectly absorbing object placed outside, exposed to direct sunlight would absorb about 1 kW/m^2 of power, and would also emit 1 kW/m^2 of power. A blackbody emits this amount of power when it's temperature is about 360K, with a peak emission at about 8 microns.

So, absent any convective/conductive heat loss to the atmosphere, the object would heat up until it reached 360K (about 87 degrees C/ 188 degrees F), and then be in thermal equilibrium with solar radiation.
 
LogicalAcid said:
I know, but then why does metal get much hotter left out than we do? I have a feeling its cause since it reflects so much of the incident radiation coming of it, we feel it through that.

The light landing on your body is mostly turned into heat. But your body automatically does things to keep the same temperataure. If your skin is warm, blood will come to your skin and be cooled more than if your skin were cold. If it were cold, the blood vessels would contract, and stop your blood from being cooled.

Metal does not regulate its temperature the way your body does. Metal seems hotter or colder than you expect because it can hold a lot of heat. If you have a block of steel and a block of wood (both the same color, so they absorb the same amount of heat from the light), then both will be at the same temperature after a while, but if you touch the metal it will seem warmer than the wood. Thats because your fingers will cool down the wood much faster than the metal, and it will feel cooler. Your fingers don't tell you the temperature of what they TOUCH, they tell you what temperature they ARE. The metal will heat your fingers up much faster than the wood, and it will feel hotter.
 

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