If x2+y2+z2=xy+yz+zx prove x=y=z

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The discussion revolves around the equation x² + y² + z² = xy + yz + zx and the challenge of proving that x = y = z under this condition. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of potential proofs or counterexamples.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in proving the statement and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant suggests that the statement may not hold true without the assumption that all variables are real-valued.
  • A method involving the quadratic formula is proposed to analyze the equation further.
  • Participants discuss rewriting the equation in a different form to explore potential manipulations and factorizations.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of recognizing that squares are non-negative and that equality holds only when the squared terms equal zero.
  • A substitution approach is presented, where y and z are expressed in terms of x and additional variables, leading to a new equation a² + b² = ab that needs to be proven under specific conditions.
  • Another participant provides an alternative manipulation of the original equation, leading to the conclusion that (x - y)² + (y - z)² + (z - x)² = 0, suggesting that this form could simplify the proof.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the original statement without additional assumptions. Multiple approaches and viewpoints are presented, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the problem.

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Some assumptions about the nature of the variables (e.g., whether they are real-valued) are noted as potentially critical to the discussion. The mathematical steps and manipulations proposed are not fully resolved, leaving open questions about their implications.

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if x2+y2+z2=xy+yz+zx prove that x=y=z.

I tried a lot, but can't get any answer. Can someone please help me out?
 
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In general this is false, unless you know that all three variables are real-valued.

Try:

x^2 + (y + z)x + (y^2 + z^2 - yz) = 0 and use the quadratic formula and see where that leads.

--Elucidus
 
Rewrite this, for example as:
\frac{1}{2}x^{2}+\frac{1}{2}x^{2}+\frac{1}{2}y^{2}+\frac{1}{2}y^{2}+\frac{1}{2}z^{2}+\frac{1}{2}z^{2}-xy-xz-zy=0
and see if you can make some clever manipulations.
 
And by "clever manipulations," Arildno means group the x2, xy, and y2 terms together, and group the x2, xz, and z2 terms together, and group the y2, yz, and z2 terms together. It's possible that some factorization can occur.
 
You will also need A^2 \geq 0 for all real A, and equality to 0 occurs only when A = 0.

--Elucidus
 
It is often much easier to prove that something is 0 when squares are involved so I substituted

y = x + a, and z = x+b.

and ended up with

a^2 + b^2 = ab, where you have to prove that a = b = 0.
 
willem2 said:
It is often much easier to prove that something is 0 when squares are involved so I substituted

y = x + a, and z = x+b.

and ended up with

a^2 + b^2 = ab, where you have to prove that a = b = 0.

A much easier way,

from
x2+y2+z2=xy+yz+zx
you can get
2x2+2y2+2z2=2xy+2yz+2zx
which equals
2x2+2y2+2z2-2xy-2yz-2zx=0
,the equivalent is
(x-y)2+(y-z)2+(z-x)2=0.
 

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