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The discussion begins with a celebration of the Bucs winning the NFC South and transitions into a conversation about language and its evolution. A user shares interesting linguistic facts, such as the historical use of the -en suffix for plurals and the origins of words like "hussy" and "husband." The conversation shifts to personal anecdotes about travel experiences on airplanes, highlighting the types of people one might encounter during flights.Participants express their thoughts on the nature of fun and relationships, with some humorously discussing the challenges of dating and social interactions. The dialogue also touches on the complexities of language change and the connections between language, culture, and human interaction, referencing historical linguistics and notable figures like Otto Jespersen and Ferdinand de Saussure. The thread concludes with a light-hearted exchange about personal interests in linguistics and semiotics, showcasing a blend of humor and intellectual curiosity.
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Hey, what are you doing here? Gee, thanks. Anywho, I didn't do anything for New Year's Eve and the Bucs won the NFC South (Woo!), so I've been celebrating today... since noon. I'm lonesome now, so does anyone want to talk about something? I'll start.

Did you know that according to Otto Jerspersen, Danish linguist and, some say, the expert on English, in 1924 oxen was the only form left in English that uses the -en suffix to form plurals? shoes, foes, eyes used to be shoen, fone, eyen. Hah. I think we shoud let -en rest in peace. Oxes, people, call them oxes! Every chance you get!

Did you know that hussy was originally (modernized) housewife? Hah. And now we've made the word housewife all over again. Husband and hustings were also originally compounds involving house, though it was pronounced differently back then.

Did you know that long -- length; deep -- depth; wide -- width; broad -- breadth; whole -- health were all once formed by the same process too? Bet you've never noticed the rule though (didn't notice whole and health, did you?). I wonder how it is that we notice some patterns and not others. How does that happen?

Hm. Anyone still there? :frown:

Tell me something that you find interesting.

It doesn't even need to be true. :biggrin:
 
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Hi HRW! You'll get no respect from me, you sassy lass! Especially now that I see you weren't doing anything last night and you could have been hanging out with us.

I find airplane travel interesting. Particularly because there are always 3 types of people you will sit with on the journey: 1) crazy person 2) sick person 3) screaming toddler.

On my trip down to Texas, I got stuck between 1 and 2. On my trip back I got stuck between 2 and 3.

Travel much?

Maybe I should just shut up. You sound melancholy for some reason. I don't know why.
 
HRW, I give you my solemn word that I will not click the link to this thread.
 
Oops, my finger slipped.
 
I'll still respect you in the morning I swear!
 
Sorry, Sis! I can't respect people who I like very much. :blushing:
 
Math Is Hard said:
Hi HRW! You'll get no respect from me, you sassy lass! Especially now that I see you weren't doing anything last night and you could have been hanging out with us.
I find airplane travel interesting. Particularly because there are always 3 types of people you will sit with on the journey: 1) crazy person 2) sick person 3) screaming toddler.
On my trip down to Texas, I got stuck between 1 and 2. On my trip back I got stuck between 2 and 3.
Travel much?
:biggrin: Nope. What did you do in Texas?
Maybe I should just shut up. You sound melancholy for some reason. I don't know why.
I'm actually quite happy. :buggrin: It must be the celebrating.
 
Tom Mattson said:
HRW, I give you my solemn word that I will not click the link to this thread.
Aw, that's why I'll always have a special place in my heart for the men of Troy... and oxygen-rich blood.
 
SpaceTiger said:
Oops, my finger slipped.
Yeh, so did your place in line.

(Me: Brain, that doesn't reflect poorly on me, does it?
Brain: No.
Me: Good.)

Hah, silly tiger.
 
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TheStatutoryApe said:
I'll still respect you in the morning I swear!
Not if I have anything to say about it.
 
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Lisa! said:
Sorry, Sis! I can't respect people who I like very much. :blushing:
Think anyone will notice?[/color]
 
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Okay, I'm even annoying myself now.
 
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Have you made a PF movie?

Edit: like those awful tribdog movies. Although I love the 1 about thread killer!:-p Ok trib, I'm sure you've alreadyread this thread. But just want to make you admit it!
 
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honestrosewater said:
Hah, silly tiger.

Trix are not just for kids! I'm an omnivorous feline.
 
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Lisa! said:
Have you made a PF movie?
There's another PF movie? Didn't they learn the first time?
 
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SpaceTiger said:
Trix are not just for kids! I'm an omnivorous feline.
Psh, I eat omnivorous felines like you for breakfast. You have to pay like everyone else.
 
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honestrosewater said:
:biggrin: Nope. What did you do in Texas?
It was quite fun. I spent some time hanging out with cows. And also sea lions and penguins (down in Galveston at the aquarium). The weather was warm so we were out and about quite a bit. But now I'm sick from the airplane trip, so I am trying to recover. *ack*
 
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honestrosewater said:
Psh, I eat omnivorous felines like you for breakfast.

And I eat Trix. Try and stop me.
 
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Math Is Hard said:
It was quite fun. I spent some time hanging out with cows. And also sea lions and penguins (down in Galveston at the aquarium). The weather was warm so we were out and about quite a bit. But now I'm sick from the airplane trip, so I am trying to recover. *ack*
Cows, sea lions, and penguins, oh my. Hope you feel better soon. :smile:
 
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SpaceTiger said:
And I eat Trix. Try and stop me.
Fine. You have two choices: you can go eat Trix or you can *whispers something naughty into Frank Stallone's ear*
 
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honestrosewater said:
Fine. You have two choices: you can go eat Trix or you can *whispers something naughty into Frank Stallone's ear*

Curse you, Frank Stallone! I'll get you if it's the last thing my hired goon does!
 
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SpaceTiger said:
Curse you, Frank Stallone! I'll get you if it's the last thing my hire goon does!
I thought I was your hire goon.

Oh, no, I'm a hired goon, that's right... Loser.[/color]
 
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honestrosewater said:
Did you know that according to Otto Jerspersen, Danish linguist and, some say, the expert on English, in 1924 oxen was the only form left in English that uses the -en suffix to form plurals? shoes, foes, eyes used to be shoen, fone, eyen. Hah. I think we shoud let -en rest in peace. Oxes, people, call them oxes! Every chance you get!
Is the usage "golden," "olden" or "earthen" related to "oxen"? How about "tween" (as in "between")?
 
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EnumaElish said:
Is the usage "golden," "olden" or "earthen" related to "oxen"?
I don't know; I'll see what I can find. This -en affixes to nouns to make them plural. Their meaning might have changed, but from their current use, I'd say no since they aren't usually nouns.
How about "tween" (as in "between")?
In what way?
 
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Hm, so here's one down: http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=-en&book=Dictionary

And this might be the verb -en then: "Golden replaced M.E. gilden, from O.E. gyldan." - http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=gold

Remember not to go only (or even primarily) by spelling though.
 
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The time it takes to read this sentance is similar to the time it takes to finish half this sentance twice.
 
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moose said:
The time it takes to read this sentance is similar to the time it takes to finish half this sentance twice.
Pullease, that's just an old wives' tale. http://www.snopes.com/info/random/random.asp .
 
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why do we say "betwixt and between" when betwixt and between mean the same thing?
 
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Math Is Hard said:
why do we say "betwixt and between" when betwixt and between mean the same thing?
Yeah, good question. Seems similar to above and beyond and far and away. I'm not actually studying the history of English, but from the quick check I did, it looks like the word at the time for two is the root of both between and betwixt. They were formed with the same prefix but with different endings that aren't used in English anymore. So -- just a wild guess -- when betwixt and between caught on (started behaving as a fixed unit), there may have been a slight difference between the words similar to the slight differences between above and beyond and such, and this difference has since disappeared (along with betwixt). Or maybe it's just a stupid saying. :-p
 
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I had always thought of betwixt as meaning stuck between for some reason.
 
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TheStatutoryApe said:
I had always thought of betwixt as meaning stuck between for some reason.
The caramel?

http://www.candyeveryday.com/Images/Twix-Web.jpg
 
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I have oftentimes removed Twix betwixt my teeth whilst I flosst amongt my molars, amidst the disdain of my dentists.
 
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hmmm.. thread kill?
 
  • #34
The kill goes to MIH!
Oh wait.. oops.
 
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Math Is Hard said:
I have oftentimes removed Twix betwixt my teeth whilst I flosst amongt my molars, amidst the disdain of my dentists.
Are you brushing me off?
 
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EnumaElish said:
Are you brushing me off?
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/forums/images/smilies/groan.gif

I need a cup of coffee. There was a time delay of 5-6 seconds before I got that joke.
 
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I didn't know we're supposed to kill this thread!
 
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I've been trying to make it clear. (MIH, too.)

Although, I am still waiting to hear from HRW on the etymology of "olden."

(Might thou equally make lucid the word "redden," good lady?)
 
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You should of could If you don't have any respect for me don't read this therd
 
  • #40
Math Is Hard said:
hmmm.. thread kill?
Dream on, babe. :-p You only got your hopes up because our phone lines were down the last two days.
EnumaElish said:
Although, I am still waiting to hear from HRW on the etymology of "olden."
(Might thou equally make lucid the word "redden," good lady?)
Sorry, I don't happen to know the earliest known recorded use of any word. I couldn't even tell you how likely my guesses would be -- I'm not an etymologist or historical linguist. I find historical linguistics interesting*, but trying to trace the history of individual English words is lots of work and probably interests me as much as the history of each pebble in my backyard interests your typical geologist, which I'm guessing isn't much since I've had these damn pebbles on eBay all week and no one's even bidding! :frown: Anywho, if you really want to know, lots of dictionaries include affixes (suffixes, prefixes, infixes, circumfixes, etc.). www.m-w.com/[/url] is my personal favorite online dictionary. To search many at once, [url]http://www.onelook.com/[/URL] is great.
Since [i]redden[/i] is a verb meaning roughly [i]to make or become (more) red[/i] and [i]red[/i] is an adjective, tracking down the records of the [i]-en[/i] suffix that attaches to adjectives to form verbs meaning roughly [i]to make or become (more) [adjective][/i] (which also appears in [i]blacken, darken, lighten, widen, shorten, etc.[/i]) might be a good place to start.

*mainly because of things like this:
[quote]One real triumph of this method of reconstruction was the Laryngeal
Hypothesis: it was known that there were some troublesome places in
Indo-European where the sound changes seemed not to be behaving in
their usual regular way; things were happening to vowels and
sometimes consonants that couldn't be easily explained based on what
we saw in the attested languages. Ferdinand de Saussure in the late
19th century said that there had to be a set of three segments in the
proto-language that had not survived in any of the daughter languages
-- he was fairly conservative about claiming what they must have
been, but he called them laryngeals and pointed out the precise
locations where they must have occurred. Many years later, when a
bunch of texts in Turkey were finally decoded and we knew we were
looking at the ancient Anatolian language Hittite, the oldest
attested Indo-European language -- voila: there were the laryngeals,
exactly where Saussure had predicted they must be just on the basis
of careful reconstruction.
- [PLAIN]http://www.utexas.edu/depts/classics/documents/PIE.html [/quote]Cool, huh? :cool:
 
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Ah! There you are! What happened to your phone lines?

BTW, HRW, if you are replying to this thread then you are obviously reading it. Are we to infer from this, and from the thread title, that you have no self-respect?
 
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Math Is Hard said:
Ah! There you are! What happened to your phone lines?
The phone guys had problems with their equipment. They said it's normal. :confused:
BTW, HRW, if you are replying to this thread then you are obviously reading it. Are we to infer from this, and from the thread title, that you have no self-respect?
Sure, or from the fact that I'm sitting at home on PF on a Friday night.
 
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honestrosewater said:
The phone guys had problems with their equipment. They said it's normal. :confused:
heh. Men with equipment problems? So what did you tell them, "It's OK, it happens to every guy once in awhile"? Sounds like they were taking it very well!

Sure, or from the fact that I'm sitting at home on PF on a Friday night.
You should go out and play. Have some wild and naughty fun. If you're going to disrespect yourself, at least do something to earn it first. :biggrin: :devil:

Hope your weekend picks up!:smile:
 
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Math Is Hard said:
heh. Men with equipment problems? So what did you tell them, "It's OK, it happens to every guy once in awhile"? Sounds like they were taking it very well!
I told them what I always tell men when that happens: I want my money back.
You should go out and play. Have some wild and naughty fun. If you're going to disrespect yourself, at least do something to earn it first. :biggrin: :devil:

Hope your weekend picks up!:smile:
Thanks. I don't know what I meant by that anyway or why I even want to go out. I don't know where I'd go or who I'd do. Er, what I'd do. Whatever. Anywho, I decided to stay in and get some reading and such done. Oh, and get drunk and wonder what is wrong with me. I think it's evolution. It's made our bodies not listen to reason when there are hot guys around. Or one hot guy even. Stupid evolution. I'll show it who's boss. *drinks more poison* Hm, maybe I should get a webcam. Doh. Stupid evolution.
 
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Hot guys? WHERE??

Oh, you're not serious. :frown:

Hand me some poison.
 
  • #46
Evo said:
Hot guys? WHERE??
Oh, you're not serious. :frown:
Hand me some poison.
No, there's one, but I don't like him.

*hands Evo a black martini*

I think I'll have a Screaming Orgasm.

No, scratch that. A Screaming Multiple Orgasm On The Beach.

Meh, too much work. Just Scotch.
 
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honestrosewater said:
No, there's one, but I don't like him.
The boo to him then.

*hands Evo a black martini*
Ooooh, I love black martinis. :approve:

I think I'll have a Screaming Orgasm.

No, scratch that. A Screaming Multiple Orgasm On The Beach.

Meh, too much work. Just Scotch.
Oh I was going to recommend a drink but then I'd lose my job...nevermind. :redface:

Co-worker: So what did you guys do after work last night?

us: We went out and had bl** **obs. They were good but all the ***** ended up on my **** and it was hard to hold something that large in my ***** and ******* with my arms held behind my ****. :frown:
 
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Evo said:
Oh I was going to recommend a drink but then I'd lose my job...nevermind. :redface:

Co-worker: So what did you guys do after work last night?
us: We went out and had bl** **obs. They were good but all the ***** ended up on my **** and it was hard to hold something that large in my ***** and ******* with my arms held behind my ****. :frown:
Don't worry. I'm sharp. :wink: I figured it out. Next time I go out, I'll be sure to get one of those. Sounds like fun. What do you think about having 'just fun'? Know what I mean?
 
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honestrosewater said:
Don't worry. I'm sharp. :wink: I figured it out. Next time I go out, I'll be sure to get one of those. Sounds like fun.
[quote What do you think about having 'just fun'? Know what I mean?
Not sure, but you should have fun while you are young! :approve:
 
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Evo said:
Not sure, but you should have fun while you are young! :approve:
Hm, is 23 young? Perhaps you're young until you stop having fun. :lightbulb: I guess figuring out what I want is turning out to be more difficult than I expected and I was just looking to vent a little and get some input from other people. Anywho, I don't want the kind of fun I was thinking of anyway. I want the good kind of fun. :approve:
 

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