I'm 16 and need/want a life in Physics.

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The discussion centers around a young individual's aspirations to pursue a career in theoretical physics, exploring their interests, learning methods, and the challenges they face in mathematics and scientific understanding. The conversation includes reflections on educational resources, particularly the use of YouTube for learning, and the importance of foundational knowledge in calculus and physics.

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  • One participant expresses enthusiasm for learning about the universe through personal essays and YouTube, indicating a desire to understand complex concepts like black holes and singularities.
  • Another participant challenges the effectiveness of learning through YouTube, suggesting that serious study of calculus and physics is essential for becoming a scientist.
  • Some participants emphasize the need for proficiency in mathematics, noting that it is crucial for success in theoretical physics.
  • There is a discussion about the potential pitfalls of relying on personal ideas without grounding them in established scientific knowledge.
  • One participant acknowledges the value of YouTube in sparking interest in physics but also suggests that books may provide higher quality information.
  • Concerns are raised about the participant's understanding of the nature of scientific inquiry, particularly the distinction between "why" and "how" questions in science.
  • Some participants encourage the individual to keep an open mind and explore various resources for learning, including books and structured study.

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Participants express differing views on the value of YouTube as a learning tool, with some advocating for its use while others recommend more traditional study methods. There is no consensus on the best approach to learning physics or the importance of personal theories versus established scientific knowledge.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for foundational knowledge in mathematics and physics, but there are varying opinions on how to best acquire this knowledge. Some express concern about the participant's reliance on personal ideas without sufficient grounding in established science.

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Individuals interested in pursuing a career in theoretical physics, particularly those in high school or early college stages, may find the discussion relevant for understanding the challenges and resources available for their educational journey.

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Hello everyone, I recently found this site PhysicsForums and hope I can find some help from it. I've written a 6600 word essay on everything I learn from the Universe using youtube. I did it just for my own knowledge, how and why things work the way they do. I'm in grade 11 and almost going into grade 12 and I have not had any spark with any other subject. Except my class Science 21. Learning about atoms and different types of elements, planets, stars, collinising planets and soo much more. In my spare time I write pages and pages of my thoughts and ideas on how black "holes" work and what happens in the singularity. And many more crazy theory's I have running around up there. I have never been good at math because I didn't care for life; because I was fooled into religion when I was young. Since I found science I have escaped all of that and seek the truth on why and how the universe exsists. theoretical Physics sounds like the Job for me. I enjoy learning math and am trying to catch up on my algebra. I love the thought of writting long equations and my mission is to figure out atleast one of most asked questions.

So the question I'm trying to ask is; To achieve my goals, what are the requirments for a Theoritcal Phyisist? - Thanks for reading you guys.
 
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OK, I hate to break it to you, but watching youtube videos is not doing science. I don't want to discourage you, but rather I'm trying to set you to the right path. Stop watching youtube, and actually study things.

Study things like calculus and physics and work through a lot of problems. That's the ONLY way you're ever going to be a scientist. It takes a lot of work, but perhaps it'll be worth it.
 
An Open Mind said:
In my spare time I write pages and pages of my thoughts and ideas on how black "holes" work and what happens in the singularity.

An Open Mind said:
I enjoy learning math and am trying to catch up on my algebra.

I sense a problem...
 
An Open Mind said:
Hello everyone, I recently found this site PhysicsForums and hope I can find some help from it. I've written a 6600 word essay on everything I learn from the Universe using youtube. I did it just for my own knowledge, how and why things work the way they do. I'm in grade 11 and almost going into grade 12 and I have not had any spark with any other subject. Except my class Science 21. Learning about atoms and different types of elements, planets, stars, collinising planets and soo much more. In my spare time I write pages and pages of my thoughts and ideas on how black "holes" work and what happens in the singularity. And many more crazy theory's I have running around up there. I have never been good at math because I didn't care for life; because I was fooled into religion when I was young. Since I found science I have escaped all of that and seek the truth on why and how the universe exsists. theoretical Physics sounds like the Job for me. I enjoy learning math and am trying to catch up on my algebra. I love the thought of writting long equations and my mission is to figure out atleast one of most asked questions.

So the question I'm trying to ask is; To achieve my goals, what are the requirments for a Theoritcal Phyisist? - Thanks for reading you guys.
Avoid youtube, learn to spell properly, particularly the word 'theoretical', and become proficient at advanced mathematics.
 
Astronuc said:
Avoid youtube

Well... surely there's no reason to rush to such drastic measures. To the OP, an Open Mind, in the absence of any clear course of action always seek to learn more.
 
An Open Mind said:
Thanks, the first helpful comment. I will start researching calculus as soon as I get home. Thank you :).

AOM: it is helpful to provide context when you wish to respond to someone else's post. Use the quote button at the right of that post.

To respond to several posts, as you did above, use the Multi Quote feature. (Select Multi Quote for several threads, then select Quote on anyone to start)As for learning, Youtube may help you get interested, but what you really want to do is pick up books and read. They'll have higher quality than Youtube.
 
DaveC426913 said:
AOM: it is helpful to provide context when you wish to respond to someone else's post. Use the quote button at the right of that post.

To respond to several posts, as you did above, use the Multi Quote feature. (Select Multi Quote for several threads, then select Quote on anyone to start)


As for learning, Youtube may help you get interested, but what you really want to do is pick up books and read. They'll have higher quality than Youtube.

Thanks mate I'm new at this I'll start using quotes. I actually was reading some of the asked questions on the forums and I saw you write something funny but I didn't know how to reply ;p Thanks for giving me some advice. Are there any books that you can recommend? - My generation uses computers and tech for there research so I havn't read a lot in my life. I'll give it ago though. I'm not sure if this is physics but I've been doing the basics of space like how planets/stars form and what elements they contain. I've moved onto Redshift and Arc secs which I'm slowly understanding, are there any good books on that?- Everything I read or learn I write in a microsoft powerpoint which I got roughly 6600 words in so far :D.
 
Astronuc said:
Avoid youtube, learn to spell properly, particularly the word 'theoretical', and become proficient at advanced mathematics.

Ok thanks for the feedback. However youtube got me interested in physics and I'm not a mindless zombie believing everything I see and hear. There are some serious channels on youtube that make very good videos. One I use most is called SpaceRip.
 
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An Open Mind said:
Are there any books that you can recommend?

There are others who could answer this better than I. The books I read are considered "pop-sci" in these parts. :wink:
 
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An Open Mind said:
In my spare time I write pages and pages of my thoughts and ideas on how black "holes" work and what happens in the singularity.

Calm down a bit. One thing that you need to prepare yourself for is finding out that most of your ideas just won't work or have been thought of before.

I have never been good at math because I didn't care for life

You need to get good at math.

because I was fooled into religion when I was young. Since I found science I have escaped all of that and seek the truth on why and how the universe exsists.

Ummmmm... No. Science doesn't answer why. It answers what and how. If you try to use science as a substitute for religion you'll find yourself sorely disappointed.

theoretical Physics sounds like the Job for me. I enjoy learning math and am trying to catch up on my algebra. I love the thought of writting long equations and my mission is to figure out atleast one of most asked questions.

Keep learning math since it will be useful. Get some experience as an undergraduate for what real science is like, and you'll find it to be a lot of grunt work. Don't close off your options. There are few theoretical physicists in the world in large part because most people end up disliking *doing* theoretical physics once they find out what it involves.

There's a big difference between watching people run a marathon and doing a marathon yourself.
 
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FlexGunship said:
I sense a problem...

Tell me your concerns? I've only just learn't the basics of space give me a break I'm not as smart as you. I don't know what I wrote wrong in that paragraph.
 
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An Open Mind said:
Tell me your concerns? I've only just learn't the basics of space give me a break I'm not as smart as you. I don't know what I wrote wrong in that paragraph.

People were concerned that you have been writing "your own ideas". You later correct this in post 8 by saying what you are writing is "what you have learned".
 
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To those who say "stop watching youtube", I would DISAGREE *gasp*. Youtube has so many videos, that he can learn calculus on it (I don't like the way khan teaches).

You said you want to learn some calculus, you should watch patrickJMT (he has helped when i needed to review something). I would suggest starting here on your calculus journey: and just learn from there.

Good luck.
 
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twofish-quant said:
Calm down a bit. One thing that you need to prepare yourself for is finding out that most of your ideas just won't work or have been thought of before.



You need to get good at math.



Ummmmm... No. Science doesn't answer why. It answers what and how. If you try to use science as a substitute for religion you'll find yourself sorely disappointed.



Keep learning math since it will be useful. Get some experience as an undergraduate for what real science is like, and you'll find it to be a lot of grunt work. Don't close off your options. There are few theoretical physicists in the world in large part because most people end up disliking *doing* theoretical physics once they find out what it involves.

There's a big difference between watching people run a marathon and doing a marathon yourself.

Thank you so much, I was agreeing with you on everything you wrote except..I think my theory's do have a chance..you have not heard them yet ^.^. Anything could be possible after all it is a phenomenon?
 
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romsofia said:
To those who say "stop watching youtube", I would DISAGREE *gasp*. Youtube has so many videos, that he can learn calculus on it (I don't like the way khan teaches).

You said you want to learn some calculus, you should watch patrickJMT (he has helped when i needed to review something). I would suggest starting here on your calculus journey: and just learn from there.

Good luck.


Thanks mate!
 
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romsofia said:
To those who say "stop watching youtube", I would DISAGREE *gasp*. Youtube has so many videos, that he can learn calculus on it (I don't like the way khan teaches).
It's probably hard to go wrong learning calculus from an unverified source. But I'd draw the line there. The trouble is that, aside from the maths, science is a breeding ground for junk.

An well-known example is "What the Bleep Do We Know" which looks like its all about science, but it's all junk. Youtube has a very high incidence of junk because it's a self-publish format. There's no one to vet it. Books OTOH, in general must go through an editing process by a third party.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
There are others who could answer this better than I. The books I read are considered "pop-sci" in these parts. :wink:

Thank you I'll try and get a hold of that one aswell.
 
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Try to get hold of the Feynman lectures. You'll love it.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
It's probably hard to go wrong learning calculus from an unverified source. But I'd draw the line there. The trouble is that, aside from the maths, science is a breeding ground for junk.

An well-known example is "What the Bleep Do We Know" which looks like its all about science, but it's all junk. Youtube has a very high incidence of junk because it's a self-publish format. There's no one to vet it. Books OTOH, in general must go through an editing process by a third party.

Well, I can't argue with that. Good point.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
It's probably hard to go wrong learning calculus from an unverified source. But I'd draw the line there. The trouble is that, aside from the maths, science is a breeding ground for junk.

An well-known example is "What the Bleep Do We Know" which looks like its all about science, but it's all junk. Youtube has a very high incidence of junk because it's a self-publish format. There's no one to vet it. Books OTOH, in general must go through an editing process by a third party.

I only use one called SpaceRip - They are somehow assosiated with NASA so I trust them. Yes I know I spelt assosiated wrong.
 
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- Calculus
Feynman lectures
Practical Analysis in One Variable" by Estep

Ok these all sound great - Sorry for this post I'm trying to keep things together and organised.
 
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And use this for calculus: "Practical Analysis in One Variable" by Estep. It's a book suitable for high-schoolers.
 
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An Open Mind said:
DaveC426913 said:
There are others who could answer this better than I. The books I read are considered "pop-sci" in these parts. :wink:
Thank you I'll try and get a hold of that one aswell.

What? I didn't list any!:bugeye:
 
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micromass said:
And use this for calculus: "Practical Analysis in One Variable" by Estep. It's a book suitable for high-schoolers.

Thanks once again. Before I jump into this pile of knowledge, what exactly is calculus? The only math I know is my times tables and a bit of algebra haha. I feel ready for any type of math though. I will not give up until I nail it and understand it.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
What? I didn't list any!:bugeye:

Oh I thought you said a book called "pop-sci" Haha I just read it again and I realized I had read it wrong sorry. By the way, when you are saying you RED something do you just write read anyway?
 
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An Open Mind said:
Oh I thought you said a book called "pop-sci" Haha I just read it again and I realized I had read it wrong sorry. By the way, when you are saying you RED something do you just write read anyway?
Red is a colour. Yesterday I read a book. (It is pronounced "red" but spelled "read".)
 
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Anyone? What's calculus? An please give an example of it :) - Got to go to class I'll be back in 2 hours.
 
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An Open Mind said:
Anyone? What's calculus? An please give an example of it :) - Got to go to class I'll be back in 2 hours.

Calculus is the study of change. If you know a little bit of algebra, here's a problem that would be hard and long to solve using algebra. Find the area under the function {x^{2}+x} between 0 and 5.

Using calculus we are able to use an operator called an integral which finds the area under functions. That's one example of calculus.
 
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I was going to cite an example of simple distance and speed of a moving vehicle. If you have one you can use calculus to determine the other. Though that's a pretty trivial case.
 

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