I'm having trouble finding the integral using u-substitution.

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The discussion revolves around integrating functions using u-substitution, specifically focusing on three examples involving trigonometric and exponential functions. The original poster is seeking guidance on how to approach these integrals without requiring complete solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to rewrite integrals using trigonometric identities and expresses uncertainty about how to manipulate the equations for integration.
  • Some participants suggest considering the relationships between variables and derivatives, particularly in relation to the integrands.
  • Questions arise regarding the effectiveness of certain substitutions and the potential use of integration by parts for specific examples.
  • There is a discussion about the challenges of recognizing useful substitutions and the need for trial and error in finding appropriate methods.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's attempts and providing suggestions for potential approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding rewriting integrands and considering different substitutions, but no consensus or resolution has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes their current level of study in calculus II and expresses difficulty in recognizing how to rewrite integrals for u-substitution. There is also mention of not having learned integration by parts yet, which may limit their approach to some problems.

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Homework Statement



I have to integrate using u-substitution (probably).

Ex. 1 Integrate (sin^4x)/(cos^6x)dx

2. Integrate (2x)/(sqrt(e^(2x^2)-1))dx

3. Integrate (cos^-1x)/(sqrt(1-x^2))dx

Thank you !

Homework Equations



I do not want the solutions. I just need to be pointed in the right direction (i.e. I need you to help me start off)

**It should be noted that I am doing a calculus II course (Integral Calc, mostly) in university, so it's not very advanced integrals that I'm doing. Basically what I know is how to integrate using u-substitution, and I know the integrals for the inverse trig functions (which is supposed to be relevant to examples 2 & 3), and that's what information I have to work with.


**It should also be noted that I may just not know how to rewrite the equations before I can integrate them. I have trouble 'seeing through' the equation and automatically knowing which way I'm going to solve it.

The Attempt at a Solution



Ex. 1 I tried rewriting the equation using trig identities, e.g. (1-cos(x))/(1-sin(x))^3. I found this got me nowhere.
I also tried rewriting it is (sin^4)(x)/(cos^4)(x)*1/cos(x), and rewriting and rewriting until I ended up with a big mess, so that got me nowhere as well.

2. Here's my dilemma:
-if I substitute e^2x for u, I end up needing an e to the power in my numerator, so that doesn't work out.
-if I instead substitute 2x^2 for u, I end up with the e to the power of u on the bottom and I don't have a formula for that.

3. I have no ideas on this one.
 
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nerdy_hottie said:

Homework Statement



I have to integrate using u-substitution (probably).

Ex. 1 Integrate (sin^4x)/(cos^6x)dx

2. Integrate (2x)/(sqrt(e^(2x^2)-1))dx

3. Integrate (cos^-1x)/(sqrt(1-x^2))dx

Thank you !

Homework Equations



I do not want the solutions. I just need to be pointed in the right direction (i.e. I need you to help me start off)

**It should be noted that I am doing a calculus II course (Integral Calc, mostly) in university, so it's not very advanced integrals that I'm doing. Basically what I know is how to integrate using u-substitution, and I know the integrals for the inverse trig functions (which is supposed to be relevant to examples 2 & 3), and that's what information I have to work with.


**It should also be noted that I may just not know how to rewrite the equations before I can integrate them. I have trouble 'seeing through' the equation and automatically knowing which way I'm going to solve it.

The Attempt at a Solution



Ex. 1 I tried rewriting the equation using trig identities, e.g. (1-cos(x))/(1-sin(x))^3. I found this got me nowhere.
I also tried rewriting it is (sin^4)(x)/(cos^4)(x)*1/cos(x), and rewriting and rewriting until I ended up with a big mess, so that got me nowhere as well.
This is the right approach, but you have an error. Your integrand is equal to tan4(x)sec2(x). That should suggest a pretty obvious substitution.
nerdy_hottie said:
2. Here's my dilemma:
-if I substitute e^2x for u, I end up needing an e to the power in my numerator, so that doesn't work out.
-if I instead substitute 2x^2 for u, I end up with the e to the power of u on the bottom and I don't have a formula for that.
I don't have any ideas just yet, but I'll think about this one.
nerdy_hottie said:
3. I have no ideas on this one.
If u = cos-1(x), what is du?

BTW, welcome to Physics Forums!
 
For example 2, rewrite the integrand to remove the sqrt in the denominator, that is, express 1/sqrt(e^(2*x^2)-1) using the appropriate exponent. After doing this, see if the factor 2x would be useful in integration by parts.
 
SteamKing said:
For example 2, rewrite the integrand to remove the sqrt in the denominator, that is, express 1/sqrt(e^(2*x^2)-1) using the appropriate exponent. After doing this, see if the factor 2x would be useful in integration by parts.

Check that last suggestion.

See if the factor 2x would be useful in a u-substitution integration.
 
Thanks all, but I still cannot find the solution to the second example.

I let u=2x, so du=2dx
Since the x is is still in the numerator, I say that also, x=u/2
So I fill this in and I get Integral of (u/2)(1/(sqrt((e^u)-1))du



I have not yet learned to do integration by parts, by the way.
 
The argument of the exponential has an x2 in it, right? So try u=x2 to try simplify that a bit. That's where you find the factor of 2x comes in handy.

Then you might try a substitution like v=eu and see where that gets you. A lot of this you figure out by trial and error. As you do more problems, you'll start to get a feel for what works and what doesn't.
 

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