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I'm worried what people will do to try to 'fix' Global Warming.
Blenton said:I'm worried what people will do to try to 'fix' Global Warming.
Blenton said:I'm worried what people will do to try to 'fix' Global Warming.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2002-11-12-pollution-health_x.htmCities with higher air pollution have highest medical costs
WASHINGTON (AP) — Older Americans in the most polluted parts of the country are significantly more likely to need medical treatment, particularly for lung ailments, according to a study that suggests reducing pollution could cut medical spending as well.
Earlier studies have established a link between air pollution and early death, but this is the first large-scale look at the impact on medical care itself, said Victor R. Fuchs, a Stanford University economist and lead author of the study being published Tuesday in the journal Health Affairs.
"With medical care spending exceeding $1 trillion per year, even a reduction of only a few percentage points would save society tens of billions of dollars annually," the study concluded...
ideasrule said:If you think that everybody concerned about global warming advocates drastic geo-engineering projects like fertilizing the ocean or spraying light-reflecting chemicals into the atmosphere, you're sadly mistaken.
Evo said:I think it's the crazy stuff like deploying a blanket of mirrors in space to shield the earth, to filling the atmosphere with noxious gases, to painting the Earth white, without even knowing if the warming has ended ( global warming stopped in 2005 and has been declining since). Whether it is just a dip or a real downward trend, we don't know yet.
We've been suffering in the mid US from below normal temperatures for the last 4 years. Any measures to cool the Earth would be catastrophic to our ecosystem.
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdfWarming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is
now evident from observations of increases in global
average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting
of snow and ice and rising global average sea level
(Figure SPM.1). {1.1}
All of those crazy solutions have been linked to in previous discussions.Ivan Seeking said:Where do you get your information?
mgb_phys said:The worry is that the people with the power to do them advocate these sort of schemes!
Evo said:All of those crazy solutions have been linked to in previous discussions.
The IPCC? I thought it was agreed that most of the people that created these reports were not actually scientists.Ivan Seeking said:That isn't an answer. I posted a report from the organization designated to make sense of this. You posted nothing.
Evo said:The IPCC? I thought it was agreed that most of the people that created these reports were not actually scientists.
I'll read it and see if anyone is a scientist in the field they comment in. And if the comments were not subsequently dismissed, as many were.
And each of those years were cooler than 2005.ideasrule said:Three years have passed since 2005 ended: 2006, 2007, and 2008. 2008 was the tenth warmest year on record, exceeded only by years that are within the 1998-2008 period. .
Evo said:And each of those years were cooler than 2005.
Blenton said:Yeah and I bet in 1940 people were in panic by the never ending temperature climb...
My statement was that people are seriously considering to do drastic measures to kerb this apparent global warming. They use the "Humans made this mess, humans will fix this mess" ideology which is incredibly moronic. We don't understand the problem, we really don't. There are dozens of contradictions to what is causing the global warming, a plethora of variables that govern the complex nature of our climate and yet people have the audacity to fix what isn't broken. We're going to increase cloud reflectivity or remove CO2 from the atmosphere and cause terrible problems.
it's clear that human CO2 emissions are warming the planet
Blenton said:No its not.
ideasrule said:Yes, that's called doing statistics on small numbers. Once you actually plot the data, you get something like this: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/
Blenton said:Oh excellent source, a wikipedia article.
I don't have to be a planetary scientist to say that it is not clear. Theories spring up, are debunked and are replaced by new ones. If it were so evidently clear I wouldn't be here discussing this with you.
seycyrus said:Uhm, do you see what your data is doing at the end of your graph?
Evo said:( global warming stopped in 2005 and has been declining since). Whether it is just a dip or a real downward trend, we don't know yet.
Loren Booda said:Simply said,
1. Recognize what energy is.
2. Develop a responsible mindset toward it.
3. Conserve its presence in nature.
4. Minimize its environmental impact.
5. Generate it only for basic needs.
junglebeast said:For some reason I cannot find any global warming graphs / charts that show data up to 2009. They all stop at around 2000...what's with that? I want to see the trend...
junglebeast said:And here we have global temperature levels, which seem a bit more complex, and appear to have about a 4 year period for bouncing up and down, which has stayed roughly consistent over the last 30 years. This is the one that some people seem to be contending. Well it's funny that some people are arguing this downward trend is a sign that the whole thing is a hoax, because from the graph over the past 30 years we expect to see downward trends like this every 4 years or so. While it's "possible" that it's going to keep going down and never come back up, that doesn't seem very logical considering that it has been repeating this cycle before, and the greenhouse gasses which are an underlying cause are obviously still increasing.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3169/2604836403_6b075902b3.jpg"
I killed my computer last week, so don't have my bookmarks, but here is a graph through 2008 for the US.junglebeast said:For some reason I cannot find any global warming graphs / charts that show data up to 2009. They all stop at around 2000...what's with that? I want to see the trend...
thomasxc said:well, IMO, i think scaling back how much energy we use, etc, as well as creating better, more efficient technologies is a good idea regardless of whether global warming exists and if it's getting worse.
Erm you do know where the US gets most of it's oil from?lisab said:I totally agree...as long as oil is the lifeblood of our economy, the problems in the Middle East are our problems too .