Implicit second order partial derivative

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The problem involves finding the second order partial derivative of a function defined implicitly by a surface equation in three variables. The context is within the subject area of multivariable calculus, specifically dealing with implicit differentiation and partial derivatives.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss their attempts to compute the second order derivative after having found the first order derivatives. There are questions about the methods used to derive these derivatives and the validity of the approaches taken.

Discussion Status

Some participants have shared their results for the first order derivatives, while others are exploring different methods for obtaining these derivatives. There is a focus on verifying the expressions derived and discussing the implications of the implicit function theorem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the function is differentiable in the neighborhood of the specified point, and there is an emphasis on the need for clarity in the expressions used for the derivatives.

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Homework Statement



Given that the surface (x**5)(y**2)+(y**5)(z**3)+(z**3)(x**2)+4xyz=7 has the equation z=f(x,y) in a neighbourhood of the point (1,1,1) with f(x,y) differentiable, find the derivatives
(∂**2f)/(∂x**2) at (1,1)

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The Attempt at a Solution


I already solved for ∂f/∂x and ∂f/∂y for the first part of the problem implicitly, but how to I solve for the second order derivative? I've tried ∂f/∂x * ∂/dx to no avail. All of my other attempts were really just hunches which turned up nothing as well. Thanks for any help.
 
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MeMoses said:

Homework Statement



Given that the surface (x**5)(y**2)+(y**5)(z**3)+(z**3)(x**2)+4xyz=7 has the equation z=f(x,y) in a neighbourhood of the point (1,1,1) with f(x,y) differentiable, find the derivatives
(∂**2f)/(∂x**2) at (1,1)

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


I already solved for ∂f/∂x and ∂f/∂y for the first part of the problem implicitly, but how to I solve for the second order derivative? I've tried ∂f/∂x * ∂/dx to no avail. All of my other attempts were really just hunches which turned up nothing as well. Thanks for any help.
What did you get for ∂f/∂x and ∂f/∂y ?
 
at point (1,1) I got -11/10 for both ∂f/∂x and ∂f/∂y
 
MeMoses said:
at point (1,1) I got -11/10 for both ∂f/∂x and ∂f/∂y
What did you get for ∂f/∂x and ∂f/∂y in terms of x, y, and f in the neighborhood of (1, 1, 1), before you evaluated them at (1, 1, 1) ?
 
for ∂f/∂x i got -(5x**4*y**2+2z**3*x+4yz)/(3y**5*z**2+3z**2*x**2+4xy)
and
for ∂f/∂y i got -(2x**5*y+5y**4*z**3+4xz)/(3y**5*z**2+3z**2*x**2+4xy)
both of which were found using ∂f/∂x = -(∂/dx)/(∂/∂z)
 
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I got the same for ∂f/∂x . I didn't do ∂f/∂y.

But I did it a different way.

At any rate take the partial w.r.t x of the following:
[itex]\displaystyle \left( \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right) \left(3y^5(f(x,y))^2+3(f(x,y))^2x^2+4xy\right)=-\left(5x^4y^2+2(f(x,y))^3x+4yf(x,y)\right)[/itex]​
Notice that I replaced z with f(x,y). After you've taken the derivative, change f(x,y) back to z, if you like.
 

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