Implicit Solution To Differential Equation

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The discussion revolves around verifying an implicit solution to a first-order differential equation given by \(\frac{dX}{dt} = (X -1)(1-2X)\). Participants are examining the implications of differentiating the logarithmic expression \(\ln \left( \frac{2X-1}{X-1} \right) = t\) and exploring the transition to explicit solutions.

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  • Participants are attempting to differentiate the logarithmic expression and are questioning the correctness of their steps, particularly in the distribution of terms. There are discussions about the transition from one form of the equation to another and the implications of these transformations.

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Some participants have offered insights into potential errors in differentiation and simplification steps. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these errors, with no clear consensus on the resolution of the problem yet.

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Homework Statement


Verify that the indicated expression is an implicit solution of the given first order differential equation. Find at least one explicit solution in each case. Give an interval I of definition of each solution.

The differential equation is: \displaystyle \frac{dX}{dt} = (X -1)(1-2X)

and the solution is \displaystyle \ln \left( \frac{2X-1}{X-1} \right) = t

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Implicitly differentiating gives

\displaystyle \ln(2X -1) - \ln(X-1) = t

\displaystyle \frac{\dot{X}}{2X-1} - \frac{\dot{X}}{X-1} = 1

\displaystyle \frac{2 \dot{X}(X-1)}{(2X-1)(X-1)} - \frac{\dot{X}(2X-1)}{(X-1)(2X-1)} = 1

\displaystyle \frac{\dot{X}(2X-1-2X +1)}{(2X-1)(X-1)}

\displaystyle \frac{\dot{X} \cdot 0}{(2X-1)(X-1)} = 1

What happened? What did I do wrong? According to this link http://rmower.com/s_diff_eq/Examples/0101p2.pdf I am incorrect.
 
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Bashyboy said:
\displaystyle \frac{2 \dot{X}(X-1)}{(2X-1)(X-1)} - \frac{\dot{X}(2X-1)}{(X-1)(2X-1)} = 1

\displaystyle \frac{\dot{X}(2X-1-2X +1)}{(2X-1)(X-1)}
You error is in this step. You didn't distribute the factor of 2 correctly.


Bashyboy said:
What happened? What did I do wrong? According to this link http://rmower.com/s_diff_eq/Examples/0101p2.pdf I am incorrect.
In that link, I don't understand how they can go from
$$
\frac{2 dX}{2X-1} - \frac{dX}{X-1} = dt
$$
to
$$
2dX - dX = (2X-1)(X-1) dt
$$
 
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Bashyboy said:
Implicitly differentiating gives

\displaystyle \ln(2X -1) - \ln(X-1) = t

\displaystyle \frac{\dot{X}}{2X-1} - \frac{\dot{X}}{X-1} = 1

Try leaving $$ ln(\frac{1-2X}{X-1}) $$ as a a single logarithm and implicitly differentiating by the quotient rule. You should end up with
$$ 1 = (\frac{(-2X+2)-(1-2X)}{(1-2X)(X-1)})\frac{dX}{dt} $$
where you can simplify to prove that $$ t = ln(\frac{1-2X}{X-1})$$ is a particular solution where C = 0
 
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DrClaude said:
You error is in this step. You didn't distribute the factor of 2 correctly.
In that link, I don't understand how they can go from
$$
\frac{2 dX}{2X-1} - \frac{dX}{X-1} = dt
$$
to
$$
2dX - dX = (2X-1)(X-1) dt
$$

$$\frac{-2dX}{1-2X} - \frac{dX}{X-1} \equiv \frac{dX}{(1-2X)(X-1)}$$
by partial fractions.

Therefore, by multiplying by $$(1-2X)(X-1)$$ we're left with
$$-2dX(X-1)-dX(1-2X) = (1-2X)(X-1)dt $$
$$ -2XdX + 2dX - dX + 2XdX = (1-2X)(X-1)dt $$ and our 2XdX's cancel out.
 
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vanceEE said:
$$\frac{-2dX}{1-2X} - \frac{dX}{X-1} \equiv \frac{dX}{(1-2X)(X-1)}$$

Geez. I read ##(2X-1)## where it was written ##(1-2X)##. :redface:
 
DrClaude said:
Geez. I read ##(2X-1)## where it was written ##(1-2X)##. :redface:

The initial differential equation, independent of the assumption that X < 0 was $$ \frac{dX}{dt} = (1-2X)(X-1) $$
 
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