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Which people's fighting performance is more impressive, Japanese ( what they did in WW II ) or Israeli ( what they did in Israel-Arab wars)? What do you think?
What's impressive are the spin-offs of war. ie radar, cool modes of transport, efficency in management/delegation, industry standards, M&Ms etc.... these are all spin-offs of war that have shaped a peacefull economy.russ_watters said:The Japanese did a lot in WWII and I can't think of anything that was all that impressive. To what are you referring?
The Japanese developed a form of radar, but it wasn't as good as the American, just as the American wasn't as good as the British radar. The basic idea of radar, bouncing microwaves off big metal things, was obvious to everybody; scientists had measured the distance of the moon by bouncing EM waves off it in 1919. It was the details that made the Allies radar so successful and the Axis versions so feeble.What's impressive are the spin-offs of war. ie radar, cool modes of transport, efficency in management/delegation, industry standards, M&Ms etc.... these are all spin-offs of war that have shaped a peacefull economy.
I don't think the Japanese initiated many of these spin-offs, nor did Isreal. Its American ingenuity that has made lemonade from the sour lemons of war. GoArmy.
War is not to be glorified, nor desired, but it can be brilliant in the same way that a game of chess can be brilliant. The act of hoodwinking, decieving and utterly crushing your enemied mught not be good, but it can be done either stupidly or smartly. The stupid ones loose, but the smart ones: their stratigems live through all history. Anyone who has ever studied military tactics could see the genius of certain generals, such as the Greeks when Persia attacked them the first time, or Alexander the Great.Dayle Record said:War is not something to glorify. War is never desirable. War is never brilliant.
I find that unlikely since neither of those acts were fundamentally different from any other bombing campaign by any major participant in the war. In addition, I don't think you are considering either the magnitude or the "evilness" of what the Japanese did in China. "The rape of Nanking" alone killed roughly 300,000 people, more than both atomic bombs combined. I seriously doubt most Japanese today would say that act was not as bad as the atom bombing of Hiroshima and NagasakiDayle Record said:What we did at Hiroshima and Nagasaki more than likely overshadowed any perceived evil doing on the part of the Japanese.
I'll second that.Dayle Record said:War is without fail, proof of our inability to come to terms with the finite resources of this reality. War is without fail, a failure of spirit, a failure of planning, a failure of compassion, a lack of a sustaining social order, lack of respect for the universal situation.
War is not something to glorify. War is never desirable. War is never brilliant.
Pragmatic, peaceful, action and intent, that is where brilliance lies.
Thirdly, war has proven to be one of the most impressive failures of mankind.Astronuc said:I'll second that.
War is among the greatest failures of humanity!
I don't believe it. Convince me.quantumcarl said:There are a variety of ways to shut down a tyrannical dictatorship that's bent on ruling the world.. without involving the general population.. especially today with so many technological advances in sound engineering, lighting, computers and embargos and psychology.
First off, I don't wantt to give the wrong people any ideas, so my answer will be short.selfAdjoint said:I don't believe it. Convince me.
Certainly. One could apply Nancy Reagan's method - Just say NO!quantumcarl said:There are a variety of ways to shut down a tyrannical dictatorship that's bent on ruling the world.. without involving the general population.. especially today with so many technological advances in sound engineering, lighting, computers and embargos and psychology.
Nancy and anyone else at the wrong end of a gun or bomb or machette will say "NO" with great conviction. I love Nancy as much as anyone, but, has she even spent one evening drinking in a meth-hotel bar in cracktown Baltimore? Who we should say "no" to is the people undermining society with these damn new fandangled and unecessary BS chemicals.Astronuc said:Certainly. One could apply Nancy Reagan's method - Just say NO!
Wars happen because people allow them to happen.
World War II could possibly have been prevented if the allies of the Great War (aka World War I) had not imposed such harsh conditions on Germany and axis powers.
Too many people accept war as 'that's the way it is.'
I will never accept that. In fact, I don't accept the way the world is, and I plan on changing a few things between now and the time I stop breathing. That's one of the duties of a recalcitrant heathen.