Improve Piano Sound: How to Slow Down Dampers for a Cleaner Performance

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The discussion revolves around finding a method to slow down the dampers on a grand piano during pedal release to reduce the thumping sound that occurs when they land on the strings. This topic includes practical solutions for live sound engineering and is focused on the application of various mechanical devices or materials to achieve a cleaner sound during performances.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes creating a device that slows down the dampers as they land on the strings, comparing it to a parachute landing.
  • Another suggests using a "trunk strut" or "universal lift support" to clamp onto the pedal rod, allowing for controlled motion.
  • A follow-up inquiry asks if a small strut could allow free motion except for the last 1/8" of the pedal's motion.
  • A different idea involves using a foam block that compresses at varying densities to slow the pedal's descent as it lands, which is noted for having less mechanical failure potential.
  • One participant mentions devices that slow down the closing of cupboards and drawers, seeking clarification on their name and availability.
  • A response identifies these devices as 'soft close' dampers and provides links for purchasing options, while also suggesting that recording forums might have additional insights on the issue.
  • There is a suggestion that foam could be a versatile solution, adaptable to different pianos by cutting it to size.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing ideas and approaches without reaching a consensus on the best solution. Various mechanical and material options are discussed, but no single method is agreed upon as definitive.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the effectiveness and practicality of the proposed solutions, including the limitations of each idea in terms of adaptability and potential mechanical failure.

Who May Find This Useful

Live sound engineers, piano technicians, and musicians interested in improving piano sound quality during performances may find this discussion relevant.

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Hello all,

I am a live sound engineer looking for a creative way to slow down the dampers on a grand piano as the pedal is released. When the piano pedal is depressed, the dampers lift off of the strings, and when the pedal is released, the dampers come back down on the strings to mute them. The problem is that when the dampers land on the strings, a thumping sound is made which is picked up by nearby microphones. The thump is mostly present when the pedal is released quickly, and not nearly as present when the release is gradual and slow. I need to come up with some device which can be quickly and easily mounted to the piano that will slow down the dampers just before they land on the strings, much like a jumper pulling a parachute before landing. Probably the easiest piece on the piano to manipulate would be the vertical rod which the pedal pushes on. It's range of motion is about 1/2" up and down. There is also a wooden lever which the rod pushes, but it might not be easily accessible on all pianos (this device needs to be portable and fitted to all grand pianos). The pedal itself may be hard to manipulate because it must be played and there is often very little room between it and the ground, and the dampers themselves are out of the question as most musicians would freak out at the sight of any foreign objects placed inside their piano aside from microphones. Any ideas?
Thanks!
 
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Google "trunk strut/hatch strut/universal lift support;" fit a clamp to the "pedal rod" on both ends.
 
That's a great idea! Do you think there is a small one which allows free motion except for at the very end of the cycle, probably 1/8" or less of restricted motion right at the end of a 1/2" total motion?
 
A friend suggested using a foam block that is dense only on one end... as the pedal comes down to rest on the foam, it's rate of deceleration increases as it compresses the more dense areas near the end. See any merit to this?
 
fohman said:
foam block
Duh o:). That's even better ---- less mechanical opportunity for failure.
 
what about those things that cause cupboards and drawers to close slowly at the end instead of slamming shut? anybody know what they are called, or where to buy them?
 

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