Impulse. Change in Momentum vs Ft

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of impulse and its relationship to momentum change, particularly in scenarios involving constant velocity and opposing forces such as friction. Participants explore the implications of applying a force over time while considering the effects of friction on motion.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the impulse-momentum relationship when a constant force is applied to an object moving at constant velocity, leading to seemingly contradictory results between impulse and momentum change.
  • Another participant clarifies that the impulse formula accounts for all forces acting on the object, suggesting that the presence of friction means there are opposing impulses that result in a net impulse of zero when velocity is constant.
  • A participant proposes that the impulse-momentum relationship should be interpreted as involving net force, indicating that when the applied force equals the friction force, the net force is zero, leading to no change in momentum.
  • There is an agreement on the interpretation of the impulse-momentum relationship as involving net forces, with one participant confirming the understanding of the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the impulse-momentum relationship, particularly in the context of forces acting on an object at constant velocity. While some clarify the role of net force, there is no consensus on the implications of these interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of considering all forces acting on an object, including friction, and the implications of net force on momentum change. The discussion does not resolve the apparent contradictions in the application of impulse and momentum concepts.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and individuals studying physics concepts related to impulse, momentum, and the effects of forces on motion, particularly in applied physics contexts.

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My book states that impulse = Ft = mv_f - mv_i

But it doesn't make sense to me because what if a Force of 5N is applied to an object for 10 seconds? Then I = Ft = 5N(10s) = 50 Ns.

So if I apply 5N to an object with a friction force of 5N for 10s so that the object is traveling at a constant velocity, say 3m/s, for the period of time, then nothing has changed in the calculation because Ft = 5N(10s).

However, if I make the same calculation using change of momentum, I get
Impulse = mvf - mvi = m(3m/s) - m(3m/s) = 0.

So why the different results if Ft = mv_f - mv_i ?
 
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The impulse formula using the initial and final velocities are for the total impulse. If you have a friction force and travel at constant velocity, then it is not the only force acting on the object. The impulse from friction is Ft but there will be an equal but opposite impulse from the other force, making the total impulse zero. If you only have the friction force, you will not travel at constant velocity.
 
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If understand correctly, when the physics book (non calculus, applied physics) that I'm currently reading says Ft = mv_f - mv_i, what they specifically mean is F_net(Δt) = m(Δ v)?

So that when Force applied = Force of friction, Fnet = 0, so

F(t) = [(F_a - F_f) Δt = m(v_f - v_i)] = [(5N - 5N)10s = m(3m/s - 3m/s)] = [0 = 0]

That is, Ft = mvf - mvi = 0 when velocity remains constant due to Fnet = 0.
 
Ocata said:
If understand correctly, when the physics book (non calculus, applied physics) that I'm currently reading says Ft = mv_f - mv_i, what they specifically mean is F_net(Δt) = m(Δ v)?
Correct.
 
Thank you Orodruin
 

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