In acoustics is there something analogous to skin depth in EM?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of reflection and transmission of pressure waves at boundaries in acoustics, particularly exploring whether there is an analogous concept to skin depth in electromagnetism. Participants examine the implications of medium thickness on wave behavior and seek specific terminology related to these phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the reflection and transmission of pressure waves depend on the relative impedance of the two media and questions the validity of calculations when the medium is less than a wavelength thick.
  • Another participant suggests that the acoustic viscosity boundary layer may be analogous to skin depth in electromagnetism, referring to it as the viscous skin depth.
  • A third participant provides references to academic papers that analyze acoustic boundary layers and the effects of viscosity on sound wave propagation, indicating that the topic is complex and not fully resolved in existing literature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the terminology and concepts related to acoustic wave behavior at boundaries, indicating that multiple competing views and interpretations exist regarding the analogy to skin depth.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the existing literature, including the neglect of viscosity effects in sound wave propagation and the complexity of the analysis involved in acoustic boundary layers.

H_man
Messages
143
Reaction score
0
Hi all

The reflection and transmission of a pressure wave at a boundary depends on the relative impedance of the two media.

I'm pretty new to acoustics but the textbook I've been looking at doesn't seem to specify that the such calculations are only valid when the medium is at least a few wavelengths thick.

Surely the reflection at a boundary with a material less than a wavelength thick will be very different from that of a material many wavelengths thick? Is there a specific technical term for such things in acoustics? Is there an analogous concept to skin depth in acoustics?

Thanks
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Good question! When I worked in infrasound we used a lot of optical concepts like "aperture" and did ray-tracing of acoustical waves (temperature profiles act as lenses). It looks like the acoustic viscocity boundary layer is analogous:

asadl.org/jasa/resource/1/jasman/v33/i2/p127_s1?isAuthorized=no

I've seen it else where called the viscous skin depth.
 
Here are two papers that may have answers for you:

Journal of Computational and Applied Mathematics
Volume 51, Issue 1, 30 May 1994, Pages 15–36
“The acoustic boundary layers: a detailed analysis”

Abstract:
The viscosity of the medium plays an important role in defining the characteristics of sound wave propagation in ducts. This effect, due to the difficulty of analysis, has been either completely neglected in the literature or considered only approximately.

Keywords:
Acoustics boundary layers; Duct acoustics; Viscosity effect; Propagation and attenuation of sound waves
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0377042794900914

Here is a thorough analysis of the response of a thin parallel boundary layer over a non-rigid boundary to small perturbations. The small perturbations may be acoustic, but may also be small perturbations to an incompressible fluid:
http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/ejb48/files/brambley-2011-jfm.pdf
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Thanks Bobbywhy and Pythagorean.. I am still digesting those papers. I see the matter is not trivial
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 42 ·
2
Replies
42
Views
5K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K