In the middle of an AC analysis problem, I am stuck -

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The discussion revolves around a complex number equation related to AC analysis in electrical engineering. The original poster is attempting to solve for the current \(i_L\) in a circuit using a given equation but is encountering discrepancies between their calculated result and the expected answer provided by their professor.

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  • Participants discuss the steps taken to isolate \(i_L\) and the manipulation of complex numbers involved. There are questions about the validity of certain algebraic manipulations, particularly regarding the treatment of complex fractions and the use of the complex conjugate.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the correct approach to simplifying the complex fraction, emphasizing the importance of using the complex conjugate to achieve a real denominator. There is acknowledgment of errors in the original poster's reasoning, particularly in how they handled the division of complex numbers.

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OK, I have this complex number equation:

[tex]5\,V\,=\,\left[\left(j2\,+\,1\right)\,\left(1000\,-\,j10000\right)\,+\,\left(200\,+\,j2000\right)\right]\,i_L[/tex]

Now I try to solve for [itex]i_L[/itex]:

[tex]i_L\,=\,\frac{5\,V}{\left(j2\,+\,1\right)\,\left(1000\,-\,j10000\right)\,+\,\left(200\,+\,j2000\right)}[/tex]

[tex]i_L\,=\,\frac{5\,V}{-20000j^2\,-\,6000j\,+\,1200}[/tex]

Since [itex]j^2[/itex] is just -1:

[tex]i_L\,=\,\frac{5\,V}{21200\,-\,6000j}[/tex]

And since [itex]\frac{1}{j}[/itex] = -j, the final complex numbered answer I get is:

[tex]0.0002358\,+\,0.00083333j[/tex]

However, this is incorrect! I have the answer for the problem, step-by-step, given by the prof. and I have double checked the answer using the Symbulator for the TI-89.

I should be getting:

[tex]0.00021836\,+\,0.0000618j[/tex]

What am I doing wrong?:frown:
 
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VinnyCee said:
OK, I have this complex number equation:

[tex]5\,V\,=\,\left[\left(j2\,+\,1\right)\,\left(1000\,-\,j10000\right)\,+\,\left(200\,+\,j2000\right)\right]\,i_L[/tex]

Now I try to solve for [itex]i_L[/itex]:

[tex]i_L\,=\,\frac{5\,V}{\left(j2\,+\,1\right)\,\left(1000\,-\,j10000\right)\,+\,\left(200\,+\,j2000\right)}[/tex]

[tex]i_L\,=\,\frac{5\,V}{-20000j^2\,-\,6000j\,+\,1200}[/tex]

Since [itex]j^2[/itex] is just -1:

[tex]i_L\,=\,\frac{5\,V}{21200\,-\,6000j}\;\;\; (1)[/tex]

And since [itex]\frac{1}{j}[/itex] = -j, the final complex numbered answer I get is:

[tex]0.0002358\,+\,0.00083333j \;\;\; (2)[/tex]

What've you done to get from (1) to (2)? I would first divide top and bottom by 5 to get
[tex]i_L\,=\,\frac{V}{4240-1200j}[/tex]

Now, you need to get this into the form V(x+jy), so I would multiply top and bottom by the complex conjugate of the denominator

[tex]i_L\,=\,\frac{V}{4240-1200j}\cdot\frac{4240+1200j}{4240+1200j}[/tex]

Now expand out the denominator, and you should obtain a purely real number, and the result will follow from dividing the real and imaginary parts of the numerator by the denominator.
I should be getting:

[tex]0.00021836\,+\,0.0000618j[/tex]
That's what I get too!
 
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Wow, thanks!

Why does the way I was trying not work?

[tex]\frac{1}{j}\,=\,-j[/tex] <----- Right?

[tex]\frac{5}{21200}\,=\,0.0002358[/tex]

and for the complex part:

[tex]\frac{5}{-6000}\m\left(-j\right)\,=\,0.000833j[/tex]

That is where I get the answer I was getting (wrong):

[tex]0.0002358\,+\,0.000833j[/tex]
 
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VinnyCee said:
Wow, thanks!

Why does the way I was trying not work?

[tex]\frac{1}{j}\,=\,-j[/tex] <----- Right?

[tex]\frac{5}{21200}\,=\,0.0002358[/tex]

and for the complex part:

[tex]\frac{5}{-6000}\m\left(-j\right)\,=\,0.000833j[/tex]

That is where I get the answer I was getting (wrong):

[tex]0.0002358\,+\,0.000833j[/tex]

Because you made the error of assuming that [tex]\frac{a}{b+cj} = \frac{a}{b}+\frac{a}{cj}[/tex]. This is not true (in general) and you cannot split up a fraction like this.

The trick for solving such a question is to always multiply the fraction by the conjugate of the denominator-- this makes the denominator real, and so the fraction becomes one of the form [tex]\frac{a+bj}{c}[/tex] which of course can be simplified to obtain [tex]\frac{a}{c}+\frac{b}{c}j[/tex]
 
Sweet, thanks again! Now I understand.
 

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