Increase Phase Velocity by Losing Power ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between phase velocity and power loss in optical waveguides, specifically addressing a statement from the book "Optical Waveguide Theory" by Allan W. Snyder. Participants explore how losing power to radiation can be associated with an increase in phase velocity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant cites a source indicating that exceeding the maximum speed of light in the cladding requires power loss to radiation, prompting questions about the underlying mechanisms.
  • Another participant asserts that power loss occurs as a consequence of achieving a high phase velocity, rather than being the cause of it.
  • A further inquiry is made regarding the internal relationship between energy loss and changes in phase velocity, seeking clarification on this connection.
  • One participant provides an analogy comparing high phase velocity to driving too fast around a bend, suggesting that while higher speeds may involve more energy, they also lead to energy loss.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the causal relationship between power loss and phase velocity, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the mechanisms linking power loss and phase velocity, and assumptions regarding the definitions of phase velocity and energy loss remain unaddressed.

Jeffrey Yang
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I just read some words from the book Optical Waveguide Theory by Snyder, Allan W., p226. It says that

"However, although it is possible for the phase velocity of a mode to exceed the maximum speed of light in the cladding (of waveguide), c/n_cl, this cannot occur without losing power to radiation"

My question is how to understand this? Why losing power can increase the phase velocity of the wave?
 
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The loss of power is the result of setting up such a high phase velocity wave, it is not the cause of the high velocity.
 
Simon Bridge said:
The loss of power is the result of setting up such a high phase velocity wave, it is not the cause of the high velocity.

Thanks for your reply. I still cannot understand the internal relationship between "losing energy" and "change of phase velocity", could you please explain more about this?
 
If you make the phase velocity too fast, some of the light inevitably escapes.
It's like if you try to drive too fast around a bend you lose some power to skidding... going fast has more energy but you are also losing energy.
 

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