Increase the distance between plates of a capacitor in direct current

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the operation of a condenser microphone, specifically focusing on the behavior of the capacitor within the microphone when the distance between its plates is altered. Participants explore the implications of changing capacitance in relation to direct current (DC) power supplies, including the concepts of charging and discharging currents.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes how sound waves cause the distance between capacitor plates to change, leading to variations in capacitance and oscillating current.
  • Another participant questions the behavior of discharging current when the distance between plates increases, specifically whether the charge returns to the power supply and if this could recharge the battery.
  • A different participant introduces the relationship between charge and voltage in a capacitor, suggesting that as capacitance changes, voltage must also adjust to maintain a constant charge.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the path of electrons when capacitance decreases, seeking clarification on whether they return to the battery.
  • Another participant notes that the current is relatively small and alternating current (AC), suggesting it won't significantly affect the battery's charge, and proposes using a larger capacitor in parallel with a non-reversible power supply.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the behavior of charge in the circuit and the role of the battery, indicating that multiple competing views remain on the specifics of the discharging current and its implications.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the exact behavior of the discharging current and the conditions under which the battery might be recharged, as well as the assumptions regarding circuit resistance and the nature of the power supply used.

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Hi.

I've been studying in details how a microphone works. I've found a type of microphones where capacitor is used to record sound. The idea is simple. Increasing and decreasing the distance between the plates of a capacitor (sound waves) results in the changing capacitance. Being connected to DC (direct current) power supply, it creates oscillating current which is then recorded. There is a detail which is not well explained.


The charging current.
If a capacitor is connected to DC power supply, the current flows (from + to -) building a charge on the plates and after some time the capacitor voltage become equal to power supply voltage. After that, if we decrease the distance between the plates of the capacitor, the current will start flowing again (from + to -) thus continue building the charge. No problem with understanding.

The discharging current?
When we increase the distance between the plates, the charge on the plates wants to go back to the power supply. This time it wants to go from + to +. Here, I do not fully understand whether it's really going back (but where it can go otherwise?) or not. Does it override the voltage of the power supply? A battery instead of spending energy begins to be recharged?
Electrons on one of the plates have to leave it but the only way to go is the power supply - "+ to +", "- to -".

[PLAIN]http://www.ustudy.in/sites/default/files/images/condenser%20microphone.jpg
 
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Well,

I've found some websites which tell that if we apply higher voltage to a battery, then it's going to be recharged. That means that the charge on the plates of the conductor will be reduced by going through the battery, though, I think they use a more complex scheme to make the discharge current go through a different way.
 
Hi Valeriy. This is called a "condenser microphone" and the principle of operation is very straight forward.

The key relationship in a capacitor is that which connects charge and voltage,

[tex]Q = C V[/tex]

If the resistance in the circuit is reasonably large then the charge "Q" is not able to change quickly. As the separation of the plates varies however, then C varies, hence V must also vary so as to keep Q (approximately) constant.
 
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I understand that.

My question was about where the charge (electrons) go when C decreases. It should go from the plates to ? where ? - back to the battery (or through it). That what was weird to me at first time. Now I know that batteries allow this.
 
valeriy2222 said:
I understand that.

My question was about where the charge (electrons) go when C decreases. It should go from the plates to ? where ? - back to the battery (or through it). That what was weird to me at first time. Now I know that batteries allow this.

The current is relatively small and is AC so it won't significantly alter the charge on the battery. If you're using something other than a battery for the bias voltage, say something that doesn't allow the current to reverse, then you'd simply place a larger valued capacitor (eg an electrolytic) in parallel with that supply.
 

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